Gothic 3

[Interfan]

Anybody else looking forward to this game?? It's meant to hit our shores on 20 October. Really liked Gothic 2. But from early reviews of the german version it seems buggu hope they sort it ou before it's released here.

[PsyCLown]

what do u do in it? what type of game? Explain a bit 2 me pls.

[Interfan]

what do u do in it? what type of game? Explain a bit 2 me pls.

RPG. http://www.gothic3.com/index.php?do=097 ... 2097103101

[Interfan]

Requirements are:

According to Jowwods Michael Paeck:

Min:

* P4 with 2,0 GHz or Athlon XP 2000+
* 1 Gbyte Ram
* Geforce FX 5900/Radeon 9600, 128 Mbyte RAM



For all Details (1024x768)

* 3-GHz-CPU
* 1,5 Gbyte RAM
* Geforce 7800 GT/Radeon X1800 XT, 256 MByte RAM

Credit goes to vorpalnightz at gamespot forum.

And here are the official minium and recommended:

Gothic 3
Platforms: PC
Genre: RPG
ESRB: Teen
PC Release Date: November 2006
MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

* 3D Hardware Accelerator Card Required – 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible 128 MB with latest drivers
* Windows XP
* DirectX 9.0c
* Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 3200+
* 512 MB RAM
* 4.6 GB free hard disk space
* DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
* Windows XP compatible mouse and keyboard with latest drivers
* 4X DVD-ROM drive

This product does not support Windows 95/98/ME/2000 or NT.
RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

* Intel Pentium D 3.0 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 4000+
* 256 MB 3D Hardware Accelerator Card
* 1 GB RAM

Notice: Some 3D accelerator cards with the chipset listed here may not be compatible with the 3D acceleration features utilized by Gothic 3. Please refer to your hardware manufacturer for 100% DirectX compatibility.

SUPPORTED CHIPSETS:

ATI Radeon 9800
ATI Radeon X300
ATI Radeon X550
ATI Radeon X600
ATI Radeon X700
ATI Radeon X850
ATI Radeon X1300
ATI Radeon X1600
ATI Radeon X1800
ATI Radeon X1900
nVidia Geforce PCX 5900
nVidia Geforce FX 5950
nVidia Geforce 6200
nVidia Geforce 6500
nVidia Geforce 6600
nVidia Geforce 6800
nVidia Geforce 7300
nVidia Geforce 7800
nVidia Geforce 7900

Notice: Mobile and integrated video chipsets are not supported.

[Interfan]

Second pathc released. Good thing of the game being delayed here is we should get to play a working game.

http://www.gothic3.com/index.php?do=097 ... 0061055049

Gothic III v1.08 Patch notes
24.10.2006



0. POSSIBLE EXPLOIT
===================
To avoid using the patches (same for 1.07) as an exploit:
- unequip all items
- save game
- apply patch
- load game
Otherwise equipment bonuses will be counted doubly after
reequipping.



I. TECHNICAL BUGFIXES
=====================

Build 1.08
----------
- Several crash bugs fixed
- Performance increased
- Combat AI for several monsters improved/simplified (e.g. boar)
- Lots of AI Fixes ( Murderer Reaction from party member fixed, AI comments improved)
- Sleeping NPC's AI reactions improved
- Camera Control: Inverting the X-axis is now saved
- Lensflare/Sun doesn't shine through mountains and buildings anymore
- Rhobar and Zuben are dead after defeating them
- Revolution mechanics improved
- Lester does now talk even when not sitting at the campfire
- Epilogue fixed
- "No mission success after 2 times "not enough gold" fixed

Build 1.07
----------
- Glowing vegetation bug in older shader versions has been fixed
- Several crashes and bugs related to the physics system have been fixed
- Flickering objects and invisible particle systems bugs (mostly fire) were fixed
- Some bugs were fixed which lead to the hero being invisible after loading
- Some bugs were fixed which lead to skeletons and golems disapperaing after death
- Z-Fighting bugs and alpha object order bugs were fixed, especially magic barrier vs. sky plane
- Several bugs with rendering objects under water were fixed
- An illumination crash bug on multicore systems was fixed
- Several bugs and optimizations relating the the dynamic music system were done
- A bug was fixed that lead to the damage value for modified weapons being not be displayed correctly
- The mouse cursor sometimes appeared at wrong positions. This was fixed.
- We fixed a bug where, after loading a save game, unique treasure chests would hand out the first item in the list again
- A bug in the soul travel spell was fixed (hero did not recognize that he has transformed back, resulting in an invincible state)
- The height of wade- and swim effects was adjusted
- A bug was fixed that calculated the fall damage (sometimes too low)
- Fixed a bug where skills granted by items would not be shown as enabled
- Fixed a bug where when running in fullscreen and using draw scale the GUI's mouse sensitivity would be reduced
- A crash was fixed that sometimes happened after casting the fire rain spell
- Several bugs related to the Pause mode and Quickload/Quicksave were fixed
- Several optimizations related to arrows were done
- Bugs related to following NPCs were fixed
- A bugs was fixed that reversed the order of tabs in the mission screen

II. CONTENT FIXES
=============

Build 1.08
----------
- Vak and Gonzales are now still there after a revolution
- There are now more weapons at traders and in chests
- Annoying NPCs from Faring arena removed
- Story and Missions in Al shedim improved. (Lester,Saturas,Wutras,etc...)
- Snorre's ancestor stone fixed
- All problems of Hogar and the southern Orcs fixed
- Ronar Trading fixed
- Less monsters/Orcs in Nordmar
- Vibald is now carrying explosive arrows
- Bogir dialog fixed
- Osmund dialog fixed

Build 1.07
----------
- Navigation problems in temples and Ishtar fixed
- Phil in Kap Dun now fights in Revolutions
- Fixed the Montera slaves that walked around the well and through the fire
- Turned around a chest near Vengard
- Fixed a problem with Daryl's Orcs
- Fixed Scavenger problem near Porgan
- Kamak doesn't care about the monsters anymore
- Fixed Peer's daily routine
- Remove wolf skin in Gamal's tent
- Fixed flying Orc in Vengard
- Arena Fighters in Silden have now collission
- NPCs now react to drawing the weapon in Silden
- Turned around a chest in Silden
- Destination point for Vengard stone moved
- Removed some healing plants in Myrtana
- Several plants with permanent effect werde added
- Seruk now stays in town after Revolution
- Removed some heavy smalltalk groups
- Kor Shach's navigation was adjusted
- Tippler's hut is now furnitured
- Flying objects after changing sectors were fixed
- Lukjan Overtime quest was fixed
- Sanford's letter mechanic was improved
- Tyler now goes to Trelis
- Cyrus now leaves the party mode
- Avogadro now goes to the farm after the quest succeeding
- Kelvin now goes to the temple
- Osko now goes to the farm
- Some dialog fixes with Flint in Faring were done
- The healing potion quest from Pranck is now solvable
- Spike was fixed
- Experience points in Kap Dun were adjusted
- Nemrok quest and reputation fixed
- Mojok dialog mechanic adjusted
- Bored guard dialog fixed
- Folleck dialog fixed
- Ali dialog fixed
- Gunock talks about Grok dialog mechanic fixed
- Sulfock dialog mechanic fixed
- Lares dialog fixed
- Sulfur was added to traders' treasuresets
- Antidote was added to traders' treasuresets
- Yepas has now the correct political alignment
- It's now easier to hit alligators
- It's now easier to hit the straw wolves near Montera
- Seruk's guild adjusted
- Traders have now more water
- Kamak's guild adjusted
- Map coordinates fixed
- Several recipes fixed
- Wenzel doesn't attack the orcs problem fixed
- Nasib's enclave fixed
- Staff and robe traders adjusted
- Stone tablets distribution improved
- Beds and chests at Nomad camps added
- Yasmin's und Alima's daily routine adjusted
- Navigation problems in Mora Sul fixed
- Hamid's daily routine adjusted
- Masil's daily routine adjusted
- Navigation zones in Al Shedim fixed
- Monster distribution in Al Shedim adjusted
- Quest mechanics in Al Shedim improved
- Dialog with Lester in desert fixed
- Fasim now invites you to the arena
- Reputation mechanic in Mora Sul improved
- Lukor dialog fixed
- Angar's guild changed, Party member added
- Several fixes in Ornarok's quest.
- Dialog problem with Yasmin fixed
- Ilja's amulet is now unique
- You can't buy a flame sword now
- Raw meat bugs were moved to the right inventory category
- You can buy more maps at traders
- Lukor quest fixed
- Ali's key fixed

III. CHANGES/ADDITIONS
======================

Build 1.08
----------
- Crossbow handling improved

Build 1.07
----------
- A sort order for skills was implemented
- Strings can now have UTF-16 format
- Character now won't slide if the ground entity has a volume < 3m3
- The HUD now automatically selects the smallest map that contains the player's position upon opening the map list
- A sort order for spells was implemented
- The sort order for consumables, artefacts and documents was improved
- Several Balancing values have been adjusted
- Summoned party members now defend the player

[rustypup]

Good thing of the game being delayed here is we should get to play a working game.

even though they've scrubbed starforce from gothic3, it's still jowood... buggy is a given with that lot... (the entire spellforce series followed the same path... )..

much like the morally-impaired folk at ascaron, jowood will not be earning any of my dosh soon... (it would appear that german devlopers are in the habit of using their client base as a source of cheap beta-testers....).

[Interfan]

Good thing of the game being delayed here is we should get to play a working game.

even though they've scrubbed starforce from gothic3, it's still jowood... buggy is a given with that lot... (the entire spellforce series followed the same path... )..

much like the morally-impaired folk at ascaron, jowood will not be earning any of my dosh soon... (it would appear that german devlopers are in the habit of using their client base as a source of cheap beta-testers....).

Gothic 2 was just as buggy when it first came it but it proved to be a great game. I am still getting gothic 3.

[rustypup]

I am still getting gothic 3.

i applaud your tolerance for faulty workmanship...

i will continue to vote "no" with my wallet

(the lesson here is, continue to accept substandard goods, and any requirement to improve matters is essentially removed from the equation... zero tolerance for sloppy product will only serve to improve them... we need to decide...)

[Interfan]

I am still getting gothic 3.

i applaud your tolerance for faulty workmanship...

i will continue to vote "no" with my wallet

(the lesson here is, continue to accept substandard goods, and any requirement to improve matters is essentially removed from the equation... zero tolerance for sloppy product will only serve to improve them... we need to decide...)

In this day and age of pathes I can live with the product not being perfect. Besides I am pretty sure if the developers had their way the game wouldn't be released untill it's ready but we know publishers want to released in time for the holiday season so it got rushed.

[Interfan]

Game will now be released this friday. Thats the update on the bt games schedule. Seems the local supplier is finally sorted.

[Rayne]

I agree with rustypup.

This looks like another SW:KOTOR2 **** to me.

Look how soon after release two patches have been issued. Not even mentioning that long list of fixes.

It's because most gamers seemingly share your attitude that were fed this crap.

"I am pretty sure..." / ROFL.

I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but I'm going to anyway, so listen-up - they evidently don't care about you or me.

If they did, gamers would have been playing a working, fully compatible tried and tested game of the shelf.

[Interfan]

I agree with rustypup.

This looks like another SW:KOTOR2 **** to me.

Look how soon after release two patches have been issued. Not even mentioning that long list of fixes.

It's because most gamers seemingly share your attitude that were fed this crap.

"I am pretty sure..." / ROFL.

I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but I'm going to anyway, so listen-up - they evidently don't care about you or me.

If they did, gamers would have been playing a working, fully compatible tried and tested game of the shelf.

The developers do care why else would they continue to support the product after it's released?? It's the publishers who don't care and force an early release since they must meet the holiday season deadline and don't care if the product isn't ready.

[rustypup]

The developers do care why else would they continue to support the product after it's released??

the word i'm thinking of is censored.. .

if just one or two of their titles went through these "teething" pains i would say this statement may be true... the fact that ALL of their titles have had similar problems says, quite clearly, they couldn't care less... as long as their market continues to tolerate their ineptitude, they have no reason to improve matters....

take CDV with breed.. CDV make excellent product, but breed was possibly one of the biggest x-ups in gaming history... i will still purchase CDV games, because their track record speaks to a professional team... jowood, ascaraon and their ilk not so much...

<realises how far OT this has become...> - apologies

[Interfan]

The developers do care why else would they continue to support the product after it's released??

the word i'm thinking of is censored.. .

if just one or two of their titles went through these "teething" pains i would say this statement may be true... the fact that ALL of their titles have had similar problems says, quite clearly, they couldn't care less... as long as their market continues to tolerate their ineptitude, they have no reason to improve matters....

take CDV with breed.. CDV make excellent product, but breed was possibly one of the biggest x-ups in gaming history... i will still purchase CDV games, because their track record speaks to a professional team... jowood, ascaraon and their ilk not so much...

<realises how far OT this has become...> - apologies

Off topic but tell which rpg in the last year from any developer has come out which hasn't needed a patch very soon?? I am sure you will find very few not needing patches.

[rustypup]

which rpg in the last year from any developer has come out which hasn't needed a patch very soon?

games being patched to correct one or two flaws in play-balancing, maybe some graphical glitches and the occasional CTD, fine.... games requiring a patch or two to run at all, (which is one of jowood's specialities), are indicative of bad devlopment, plain and simple... amazingly i had almost zero issue with wow, titan quest, oblivion, (among others)

they are using their customers as beta testers... this is not the crazed imaginings of a diseased mind... this is the foregone conclusion of simple observation of their track record. they feel comfortable in plugging their half-baked wares in the sure and certain knowledge that their "sap" base will tell them where things are not quite finished yet...

as consumers, we need to demand better. the relationship only works when we are actively encouraging the developer to sell finished goods.

unless you habitually purchase a new car and wait a few months for the engine to turn up in your mail, you cannot help but wonder why this relationship should be any different. why hand over premium price for incomplete product, and then spend time and effort telling the manufacturer which bits are missing/not working?... how is this a healthy state of affairs?...

i'll stick to my method of voting... burn me once, lose me as a customer...

[Interfan]

This is getting wayoff topic but lets continue. Gothic does run just very poorly without the patch. Obviously we all would prefer the game to be perfect when it gets released and not need any patch.But the facts are this they are very few genuine rpg's being made hence the reason I will support the likes of gothic and never winter nights even with their bugs. If it weren't for these companies we would be stuck with hack and slash rpg's and actions games with some character development .

You can't seriously compare a car to a game. A car can't run without an engine Gothic runs just very poorly without the patch hence big difference.

[rustypup]

You can't seriously compare a car to a game.

yes you can.. in the same way that you expect your newly purchased car to have an engine, you can expect the software you purchased off the shelf to be a complete representation thereof... not wait around while the balance is supplied to you after the fact..

this is so far OT i think i'll bow out now... my mind cannot tolerate the concept of "maybe they'll get it working with the next patch" as being an acceptable approach to dismal service, and no amount of debate will change that...

<crawls back to his burrow...>

[Slasher]

No... The GAME also comes with an enigne... Its just dirty and needs fine tuning to perform at its best...


Its like buying a car with mud and that misfires every so often... not WITHOUT an enige... You are grosssly overstating this issue rustypup...

[rustypup]

You are grosssly overstating this issue rustypup...

purchased much jowood product?... every one, not one or two, every single one could not operate sans initial patching.. unlike the many other devlopers out there, these guys are synonymous with buggy games... there is no overstatement here... just surprise that anyone would continue to support their busines strategy

[SoulBlade]

You are grosssly overstating this issue rustypup...

purchased much jowood product?... every one, not one or two, every single one could not operate sans initial patching.. unlike the many other devlopers out there, these guys are synonymous with buggy games... there is no overstatement here... just surprise that anyone would continue to support their busines strategy

True, true.
All reviews I've seen so far don't put JoWood games in a very rosy light (re patching). Except for the SpellForce series that tried something new.

[Interfan]

I will take those reviews with a pinch of salt. They gave gothic 2 bad reviews while for many people who played the game it was an excellent game.

[Interfan]

Got the game and will post back latter on how I rate it.

[Interfan]

Ok guys having the game now here are my thoughts. With the patch installed and all it isn't nearly as buggy as some have claimed I have played for 2 hours now with no crashes. Not one. I am playing on medium settings. It does get choppy in some areas occasionally but this can be put down to the fact that my current system only has 1 gig of ram.

It's still very playable. The story and rest of the game is excellent.

I can defenitly recommend this game.

[PsyCLown]

I have V1.7 and my PC specs are as follows:

AMD AM2 3200+
1GB DDr2 667 RAM
6600GT 128mb

and it lags in the game and im even running it on LOW?? WTF? Is that normal?

Also where can I get the latest patch from?
Thanks

[Interfan]

I have V1.7 and my PC specs are as follows:

AMD AM2 3200+
1GB DDr2 667 RAM
6600GT 128mb

and it lags in the game and im even running it on LOW?? WTF? Is that normal?

Also where can I get the latest patch from?
Thanks

I have version 1.9 You can get the patches at gothic3.com

You only have 1 gig of ram it will lag, recommended is 1,5 gig. I have the same system as yours except for the am2 compared the socket 939 on mine and it lags on mine also.