Spot on! That is true, and so I guess Microsoft won't really have to give a damn when their market share of the browser declines. Why? Because IE is a main part of Windows, and uninstalling it via external utilities like XPlite can really live your system in chaos.mow wrote:you know its i nice thought , but for another os to conquer MS its going to take years and lots of funds - something open source does not have.
the problem is , at most if not all skools they teach kids on MS os . then when they grow up and buy pc for themselves or for their companies they use an MS os. because they know how to use it.
and with how many prebuilt pc to you get linux instead of windows ? thats how gates made MS what it is today - he made i deal with ibm all those years ago . for every pc they sell he gives them a free copy of his os and in return he gets $1 as royalty.
everyone got to kow his os and eventualy he started charging for it .
i would love too see MS on its knees, but who will do it ? word is that Mark Shuttleworth is working on a new OS that might give them a run.
oh and btw Firefox rules.
sorry if this posted is off topic.
Yes, Mark Shuttleworth does resemble Bill Gates a bit. He took Debian Woody, masked a bit, threw some nice autoloading window managers in, and then calls it Ubuntu, just in-time to match the spirit of Africa. I can bet with you he won't even know what the command ls does, so I personally think that he and his Linux idea are a total laugh. You see people ordering 20 Ubuntu CDs, and if you ask them why they order a near darn shipload, they'll tell you "cos I can." If you want to learn Linux, get a good Unix book and study the commands. Don't just throw a CD into the drive and say you're a Linux Expert because you can use KDE (or I dare say, Gnome). Throwing a CD in a drive and installing it with defaults isn't how it works, Mr Shuttleworth.Mark Shuttleworth's 'new' OS is called Ubuntu linux. Supposedly the best distro available atm according to some sites. He is introducing it free of charge (obviously) into schools and some universities and colleges. I dont know how its taken off, but is surely the right thing to do for an African solution to software costs. Open Source is the future.
Soap - I am one of those keen to experiment with Linux, and I am using the live cd to play with. Maybe I will gain enough confidence to ditch MS, but in the meantime - I don't mess my Windows o\s. Method to the madness??If you want to learn Linux, get a good Unix book and study the commands. Don't just throw a CD into the drive and say you're a Linux Expert because you can use KDE (or I dare say, Gnome). Throwing a CD in a drive and installing it with defaults isn't how it works, Mr Shuttleworth.
Unfortunately not everyone has your superior knowledge. Most of us are plebs, you see.Soap wrote:And now everyone is a Linux pro and updates their kernel through CVS every 34 minutes and then quickly patches it?
No, but Im guessing you are one?Soap wrote:And now everyone is a Linux pro and updates their kernel through CVS every 34 minutes and then quickly patches it?
That is prefectly understandable. I also didn't learn it overnight. Throwing a CD in the drive and then clicking around in the GUI isn't a lot of learning, mostly cause you know how to click around from Windows. It may well be that I have the wrong idea of how to learn Linux, but I started off with Debian, which doesn't install a GUI by default. Today, my most valuable book remains:jee wrote:Unfortunately not everyone has your superior knowledge. Most of us are plebs, you see.Soap wrote:And now everyone is a Linux pro and updates their kernel through CVS every 34 minutes and then quickly patches it?
Oh no, not at all. I just think that the money Mark Shuttleworth spends to make CDs is completely incorrectly invested. I see a lot of people ordering 20 Ubuntu CDs, which is a total laugh. It may well be that Rikkelz distributes them to his friends, which isn't a problem. But for instance, in my school, there's people ordering 20 or so CDs for the fun of it. They'll most likely give it to some friends aswell, they jam it into their CD drives, it will give them some kernel panic and then they'll never ever use that CD again in their life. Invest the money in courses. Yes, I know he's doing that already, but try and embed that idea into schools aswell. There's no sense going into 1-hour-courses on a Saturday at 4pm once a week. I think he should invest his money into schools and general institutions, not blow it out for some free CDs from which no-one gains any or just some knowledge. That's not how it works. Linux is a Unix-clone, and going to it means learning the principles of a whole new operating system. This doesn't happen by throwing in your CD. There's absolutely no problem with Live-CD, I use a FreeBSD Live CD myself, but just do Mark Shuttleworth and others a favour: Don't order 20 CDs just "because you can". If you want to play with Live-CDs, either download it, or if you're on 56k which is fine, then order 1 CD and not 20.Slasher wrote:No, but Im guessing you are one?Soap wrote:And now everyone is a Linux pro and updates their kernel through CVS every 34 minutes and then quickly patches it?
A lot of us use those live distro's to just learn to use Linux a bit, get used to the feel.
Just because we dont know everything in the world, dont bite everyone...
On the multiple CD order I can agree... I ordered 2 CD's (One for my brother in Durban). In any case, at 99c a CD these days, why cant the people just give a R1 to get another OS. I would happily pay R100 for a decent copy of Suse or the likes, for lack of download time (Did it once, was corrupt).Soap wrote:Oh no, not at all. I just think that the money Mark Shuttleworth spends to make CDs is completely incorrectly invested. I see a lot of people ordering 20 Ubuntu CDs, which is a total laugh. It may well be that Rikkelz distributes them to his friends, which isn't a problem. But for instance, in my school, there's people ordering 20 or so CDs for the fun of it. They'll most likely give it to some friends aswell, they jam it into their CD drives, it will give them some kernel panic and then they'll never ever use that CD again in their life. Invest the money in courses. Yes, I know he's doing that already, but try and embed that idea into schools aswell. There's no sense going into 1-hour-courses on a Saturday at 4pm once a week. I think he should invest his money into schools and general institutions, not blow it out for some free CDs from which no-one gains any or just some knowledge. That's not how it works. Linux is a Unix-clone, and going to it means learning the principles of a whole new operating system. This doesn't happen by throwing in your CD. There's absolutely no problem with Live-CD, I use a FreeBSD Live CD myself, but just do Mark Shuttleworth and others a favour: Don't order 20 CDs just "because you can". If you want to play with Live-CDs, either download it, or if you're on 56k which is fine, then order 1 CD and not 20.Slasher wrote:No, but Im guessing you are one?Soap wrote:And now everyone is a Linux pro and updates their kernel through CVS every 34 minutes and then quickly patches it?
A lot of us use those live distro's to just learn to use Linux a bit, get used to the feel.
Just because we dont know everything in the world, dont bite everyone...
1.jee wrote:Just imagine not waiting months to have holes fixed, or bugs debugged or having your machine work in perfect condition... oh what bliss.. can I add that to my wishtlist?
A new version of Firefox has been released to patch a handful of security holes, Firefox 1.0.3 http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/.
Mozilla 1.7.7 http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/ addresses the same set of security gaps. Both were released last Friday.
I will admit that i will NEVER use ie again.. and if M$ don't want me to d/l patches cause i use firefox....
.4Because he doesn't own it anymore. And at the time he could have open sourced it, it was what was feeding and clothing him. Why don't _you_ do your work for free? Yeah, thought not. Same with him. He can afford to help other people, now that he doesn't need to help himself so much, so he is. Don't knock him for being 'fake' or a 'hypocrite' because he's doing something nice that he wasn't before.Sojourn wrote:Bill gates is a pleb. Add a bit of hypocrisy to that and you end up with Mark Shuttleworth.
This guy advocates open source to the masses, but this only after making his own billion. Would someone please explain to me why he didn't license his Internet Security Certificate code under the Open-Source model? (rhetorical)
Hypocrite !
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Synkronos wrote:Because he doesn't own it anymore. And at the time he could have open sourced it, it was what was feeding and clothing him. Why don't _you_ do your work for free? Yeah, thought not. Same with him. He can afford to help other people, now that he doesn't need to help himself so much, so he is. Don't knock him for being 'fake' or a 'hypocrite' because he's doing something nice that he wasn't before.Sojourn wrote:Bill gates is a pleb. Add a bit of hypocrisy to that and you end up with Mark Shuttleworth.
This guy advocates open source to the masses, but this only after making his own billion. Would someone please explain to me why he didn't license his Internet Security Certificate code under the Open-Source model? (rhetorical)
Hypocrite !
S
