AMD vs. Intel

[Mystical_Titan]

Infact an i7 2011 would probably kill that system.

I seriously doubt that.

[StarBound]

AMD bails:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-AP ... 14114.html

I love how the one part is
[/quote]"We're at an inflection point," he said. "We will all need to let go of the old 'AMD versus Intel' mind-set, because it won't be about that anymore."[/quote]

I tend to agree because its Intel or nothing. The only thing AMD has going for it is the ATI Radeon brand and even that is being hit hard by nvidia.

[Anakha56]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5176/amd- ... 12b-not-2b

AMD Revises Bulldozer Transistor Count: 1.2B, not 2B
by Anand Lal Shimpi on 12/2/2011 2:36:00 AM

This is a bit unusual. I got an email from AMD PR this week asking me to correct the Bulldozer transistor count in our Sandy Bridge E review. The incorrect number, provided to me (and other reviewers) by AMD PR around 3 months ago was 2 billion transistors. The actual transistor count for Bulldozer is apparently 1.2 billion transistors. I don't have an explanation as to why the original number was wrong, just that the new number has been triple checked by my contact and is indeed right. The total die area for a 4-module/8-core Bulldozer remains correct at 315mm2.

Follow the link for further reading. Stunned that AMD cant keep count of their own transistors...

[StarBound]

Maybe that explains why bulldozer was ******. Or maybe the developement team got the 1.2b note instead of the 2b note that could have made bulldozer the cpu everyone wanted.

Either way intel struck the crippling blow with its i7.

[THE_STIG]

AMD are in deep trouble it seems. With their previous CPU's they could offer you brilliant value for money but now even that is gone. And their budget CPU's are not much better

Sadly Intel is your only choice no matter what part of the market you are looking at. I was once something of an AMD fanboy but now I have lost all hope

[StarBound]

I still stick with Tom's and this is what they say on the 3930k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cor ... ,3090.html

Gaming wise my 580gtx is too slow. Dammit nvidia your not making gfx for consoles, step it up!

[KALSTER]

Gaming wise my 580gtx is too slow.

I'll be happy to releave you of the burden of that card. I'll donate my current card to charity in that case. C'mon, do it for the children..

[StarBound]

First I need the next fastest single gpu on the planet.

[ADT]

Anyone know anything about a amd catalyst rage performance driver you need for Rage to fix the graphics glitches for ATI GPU's?

[StarBound]

Should have been a hotfix driver a week or 2 after Rage release and any catalyst driver after 11.11.

[ADT]

Should have been a hotfix driver a week or 2 after Rage release and any catalyst driver after 11.11.

k thanks maybe i just need to update my catalyst driver

[Anakha56]

http://www.techpowerup.com/156844/AMD-B ... soft..html

AMD 'Bulldozer' gets an Update from Microsoft.
Today Windows updater may have brought "Bulldozer" users a little surprise. A hotfix that increases the AMD flagship processors performance. As this "hotfix" is bleeding edge news any benchmarks have yet to be seen but this confirms Windows 7 was in fact hampering “Bulldozer” from performing at 100% in all prior benches. What percentage it was previously performing at has yet to be determined. Here is a small snippet from the Hotfix release notes.

This article introduces an update that optimizes the performance of AMD Bulldozer CPUs that are used by Windows 7-based or Windows Server 2008 R2-based computers. Currently, the performance of AMD Bulldozer CPUs is slower than expected. This behavior occurs because the threading logic in Windows 7 and in Windows Server 2008 R2 is not optimized to use the Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) scheduling feature. This feature was introduced in the Bulldozer family of AMD CPUs.

[KALSTER]

Very interesting!

[StarBound]

Then why didn't AMD release the update with its CPU? So the 2 incedents so far are:
1 - 2bn transistors is actually 1.2bn
2 - MS needs to fix windows programming to accomadate the way the CPU works.

I can see the 2nd one applying to intel aswell but AMD wants to jump out of the CPU race.

[KALSTER]

First results show negligable change in performance.

[TheAlteredState]

Wow, I come back after a few years and this thread is still going strong! lol!

[Mystical_Titan]

I think the name of this thread should be changed to "Intel and those people called AMD". Drop the versus, it stopped being a battle some time ago and is now solely a massacre.

[hamin_aus]

Yeah, it's fun watching all the AMD fanbois whose arguments used to be "We need AMD to keep Intel honest or CPU prices would rise and performance would stagnate"

It's been years since AMD were any actual competition and guess what? New powerful Intel CPU's are getting released and the cost per MHz keeps going down.

Since AMD are now no-shows in the CPU race Intel have hand-balled the job of primary competitor to Nvidia and we got Tesla and Tegra out of it - so no complaints from me...

[THE_STIG]

True, Jamin. I remember how those fanbois used to go on and on about the superior gaming performance of the Athlon compared with that of the Pentium 4. I liked AMD but I unfortunately ended up with a Pentium 4(was not my choice) so I stopped favouring AMD and now I go for whoever is better at the time, and that has been Intel since 2006.

To make things worse for AMD, in this months PCF mag there is a review of an evetetch system based on the FX-8150 and it is no faster in the benchmarks they used than the old Phenom II X6 1100T(aka PCF's AMD test rig). But at least AMD dont kill off sockets every two seconds

[Mystical_Titan]

But at least AMD dont kill off sockets every two seconds

Kudos to them for that, at least.

[hamin_aus]

I think killing sockets is part and parcel of CPU releases.
Otherwise we'd have mouth breathers running today's top-of-line sockets on 4 year old boards and complaining about speeds

I think each new die shrink should come with a new socket.

[THE_STIG]

I see your point, but they dont need a new socket ever few months. I hear that skt1155's days are numbered.....and that is still relativity new

[hamin_aus]

According to the tick/tock release cycle it's a new socket every year and a half or so unless I'm mistaken....

It's not just Intel you need to be mad with about this tho, motherboard manufacturers play a long as well. It's in both of their best interests to keep releasing new sockets... and it's why most mobo manufacturers release more boards for Intel chips than AMD

Even in their prime, AMD's stauncher release cycle didn't stop Intel from this aggressive practise.

[StarBound]

Well Intel has to push new boards and chips yearly to make up for the developement costs of i7 and for all the flaws and faults that came with the release of their motherboards.

Sandybridge - SATA bug
SandyB-E - Software virtualization bug
...Ivybridge - board gives too much power, needs new socket 1155-I board

[Mystical_Titan]

Did anyone hear of Intel's TOTAL FAIL at CES 2012?

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12209/