Overclocking

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 29 May 2003, 19:26

Hey it´s me with another problem! <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> I just got two questions. 1.) How come whenever I overclock my Cpu(K-7 500 <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cry.gif"> ) past 105Mhz(100Mhz is the stock standard, 500Mhz,105,533Mhz and so on(115Mhz is 600Mhz)anyway,when I put it past 105Mhz, it restarts, The BIOS sees the overclock,loads, gets to windows,just before the splash screen however.
 Error at (lots of zero´s and X´s)
 Cannot_Load_Config_File.
 But down to 105, Hey presto,it loads.My bro however has been able to push it up to 750Mhz(The Cpu)What gives!? <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> I´m running Windows 2000 Pro SP3. Other question: How many of you are running overclocked systems and at what speed? <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif">

nuf · Post by **nuf** » 29 May 2003, 20:43

Remember that when you overclock (using FSB), every bus speeds up at the same time. You might have a piece of hardware that can´t handle the speed and gives the errors. Or the CPU just can´t handle the speeds. You said your brother overclocked more, was that the same CPU with his system?
 I had a hard drive that would crash whenever it hit certain speeds. REALLY anoying when I forgot and played around with overclocking .........BOOM.....reinstall.
 
 I love overclocking. Got a work system that I can´t overclock. The motherboard doesn´t support it <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_frown.gif"> , but I got a gaming system that I´ve overclocked from Athlon 1700+ (1.43GHz I think) to 2800+ (2.something GHz). Stable at about 2400+ (2GHz).
 Entertainment system is a Celeron 600MHz overclocked to 900MHz

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 29 May 2003, 21:10

Yes,it was the same mobo,same cpu,heck at that stage he even had the same graphics and sound cards as me!! <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> By the way, I made a mistake the message actually sez:
 Stop Error (Once more plenty of zero´s)
 Config_Initialisation_Failed
 I´m nor sure how to spell the big middle word. But you get the idea. The only diffrences between systems is that I have a diffrent HDD(WD 20GB 7200rpm)and a diffrent PSU,although the wattage was the same. <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_confused.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif">

Carrot · Post by **Carrot** » 30 May 2003, 00:07

He might have been lucky to get a beter Batch of ram than you did or a more over clockable motherboard out of the batch. His power suply could have sent trough just a litle bit more vaultage than yours does. Small factors makes a big diff <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_smile.gif">

Post by **-ASSASSIN-** » 30 May 2003, 10:42

I managed to get my PIII 450 MHz on an EPOX motherboard to run stable at 566 MHz, with no extra cooling, although it does reach temperatures of 75 C. At 600 MHz however, all hell lets loose, and u only manage about 3 mins of QIII before it sort of just ´cleanly´ exits the program back to windows.... <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cry.gif">
 Still hooks up 2700 on 3D Mark 2001 with a Geforce 4 mx 64mb, and Generals does run..

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 30 May 2003, 19:34

Hey LordRage, two things:
 1.)I KNOW MY CPU SUX I WANA THROW IT AT A WALL EVERYTIME I SEE IT!!!!!WHY DO YOU THINK I´M TRYING TO GET RID OF THE USELESS HUNK OF CR*P!!!!!!!!(Check out nvidia vs Ati forum) <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_mad.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_evil.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_evil.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_evil.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_evil.gif">
 2.) Actually the cpu doesn´t heat up one bit.Huge heatsink and dual fans do the job quite nicely.<IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif">
 But the main thing is howcome the BIOS accepts it without a hitch but windows doesn´t want to even hear of it??? <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_confused.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_confused.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif">

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 30 May 2003, 22:32

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD>Quote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><BLOCKQUOTE>Other question: How many of you are running overclocked systems and at what speed?
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 okay im gonna start of with that first since ive already got that answer on hand
 
 im running the following hardware :-
 1)gigabyte GA-7VAXP mobo
 2)xp2100+ cpu
 3)512megs kingmax ddr400
 4)thermaltake volcano7+ cooler
 5)geforce4 Ti4600
 
 i run that 24/7 at 166.66x13=2166mhz (2700+ speeds) at default voltages with the vidcard at default - however when i want gaming performance or i just want to showoff to friends - the highest stable overclock that i can hit is 180x13=2340mhz - im being restricted by the crappy mobo and i want to try this chip out with an nforce2 mobo - just waiting for the nforce2 ultra400 from epox before i decide which mobo to buy - the vidcard goes from 300/650 to 330/725 and i can get 15084 on 3dmark2001se at these speeds
 
 ive also got a t-bird 1.4 (ayhja-y) which can overclock up to 1.6ghz and a 1600+ (agoia-9) palomino which can run at 166x10.5 running prime95 for 12 hours or more so is perfectly stable at those settings - just want to get a barton 2500+ and see if i can run that at 2.4ghz with the nforce2 mobo for 24/7 operation with an Ati 9800pro vidcard - gonna aim for 20000 on 3dmark 2001se and 7000+ on 3dmark03
 
 ps in terms of your overclocking problem the psu could be playing a part in it since if the 5v rail is lower than the 5v rail on your brothers psu (despite the same wattage) then you wont be able to overclock - or maybe you have terrible ram that cannot handle the overclock or as somebody pointed out above maybe a pci device or your agp card is crapping out on the overclock [ Edited by naughty On Date May 31, 2003 ]

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 31 May 2003, 01:33

LOL - so what are you trying to say lordrage dude - that others dont know anything about overclocking - dont be an idiot - you only increase the voltage to go higher if your processor can handle a higher overclock as well as the ram and the rest of your peripherals - if you just increase your voltages willy nilly you will surely fry your processor - you should actually try and listen sometime - only increase voltages when you know what you are doing unless you can afford to buy new processors/mobos/ram everyday of the week - and its not only the guys at pc format that know about overclocking - the rest of us are not total n00bs at the concept - we are well capable of giving reasonably good advice too - just cos ive only got under 50 posts here doesnt mean that im a clueless idiot - ive been a member of overseas forums and made over 1000 posts on each one of those before you even found out that forums exist leave alone understanding what the word meant - so if you wanna give advice on something you know about - sure - no problem - but if you dont then dont try to say that only the guys at pc format can answer this guys problem
 
 ps i do increase my voltages - when i run at 180x13 i increase the vcore by 10% and vdimm is increased by 0.3volts and and i also increase the agp voltage by 0.2volts and im running my memory at extremely agressive timings all of which would take too long to describe here and why - id need to give you a whole lesson in bios adjustments and what they do - which is why we just try to answer the guys specific problem and dont include things that dont relate to the problem - and right now voltage is not the answer especially if he downloads motherboard monitor 5 and checks up his voltages and sees that his psu 5 volt rail is low then he will kill the psu/processor and mobo by increasing the voltages - so think before you talk
 
 pps my apologies to tamsini/cameron/christo etc i know that this is a pcformat forum but guys like the above will only help people to kill their equipment before they even understand how it works - maybe christo should also run a small article on overclocking in the mag as well one of these days since a lot of people on this forum dont really understand it - id really like to be helpful to those people struggling with it but it becomes difficult when guys have this type of attitude
 
 [ Edited by naughty On Date May 31, 2003 ]

LordRage · Post by **LordRage** » 31 May 2003, 10:42

[ Edited by LordRage On Date June 01, 2003 ]
 
 
 this kinda ruins the continuity of a thread when you erase all your posts dont you think LordRage? [ Edited by blessed_confusion_reigns On Date June 01, 2003 ]

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 31 May 2003, 13:54

well dude - what you just said in your post before defy´s your assertion about intelligence - and if you look in a mirror youd see the biggest idiot of them all - since by suggesting that the guy go and increase voltages will you replace it when he buggers it up
 
 ps it cos of a$$holes like you that retailers have a nightmare with rma´s and when the retailer doesnt want to accept your rma - he becomes the bad guy - well id never sell to someone like you dude - specially since you dont have a clue and want to spread all your ignorance- YOU dont rock in the way that your scrolling marquee says since your brain is like a rock
 
 and also dont spout off a whole load of bull**** about only asking the guys on pc format about answers - if that were actually the case why would pc format bother to have a PUBLIC FORUM - see i told you that you dont even know the meaning of the word yet
 
 it seems that you want to lose yourself and celebrate in your own ignorance but well dude since you seem to have so much of it and you are so full of bull you can go right ahead thinking that you are a clever monkey whereas you are only a "big idiot in a small pond" - ive seen lots of responses that you made on this forum that amount to a waste of server space but anyways since im only a newbie here i dont wanna make an issue of it - have fun
 
 ps he already stated that his cpu can go up to 750 in another mobo so how can his "cpu sux" and be at a limit where voltage makes a diff - you stupid moron - read before you make yourself look like a bigger fool than you have already proven yourself to be [ Edited by naughty On Date May 31, 2003 ]

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 31 May 2003, 15:01

Wow naughty,you sure put him down good there.The world and I thank you for exposing another overclocking dumbass <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> (actually I can´t talk since I´m also a n00bie at overclocking) Uh,by the way,I think I might´ve mistyped my post,but,my bro had the same Mobo,CPU,Sound Card and Graphics card as me,before he upgraded that is.This motherboard monitor thing u talked about,where could I get it?Also,are there any GOOD places that I can go to learn about overclocking?One more thing,Lordrage,the Vcore sits at about 1.6V, I have taken it to 1.8 when it went to about 550Mhz.No diff and the mobo can go up to 2.2V if I must(Which I won´t)At the momnent I think my problem could be the RAM,the PSU is a new so,hmm. <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif">

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 31 May 2003, 15:08

Whoops forgot to say the following: Lordrage if you say I must ask one of the guys at Pcformat,why on earth do you think I´m posting this topic on(Dun Dun Dun,creepy music please)THE PCFORMAT WEBSITE??????Hey naughty, you should call yourself Brainy.And no, I can´t afford new CPU,Mobo and the rest.That´s why I wana overclock.Last thing,Is it possible to overclock just the CPU? <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_confused.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif">

Post by **Synkronos** » 31 May 2003, 17:19

Okay, from my experience on this forum, naughty usually posts valid, useful information, whereas LordRage (despite sharing my avatar) post crud all the fakking time.
 
 Also, having read the arguments above (and knowing jack ***** about overclocking, but being fairly proficient in english and logic), LordRage, you talk <a href="mailto:cr@p.">cr@p.</a> So stop flaming a valuable member of the forum community.
 
 Oh, and I don´t care what your qualifications and business prospects are, they all make no difference to your spoutings online apparently.

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 31 May 2003, 19:28

okay - guys lets all stop this - maybe i did take it too far by insulting the dude - but his subsequent posts actually show his age - i dont care if he is a programmer by trade nor that he has a retail business (mine is on its way - and i hope i never have to sell to guys like him)
 
 as for being a loser dude - i live in an apartment flat that is freehold and probably cost more than you have made in your entire life up to now with your hardware business - ive also got some IT qualifications but i didnt go around bragging about those and it seems like i am old enough to be your father dude - if what you say about your "tender age" is to be believed
 
 anyways lets just all stop this "p***ing contest right here - i dont have a problem with the guy trying to help out - as long as it is valid help - if what it takes to stop is for you believe that im a stupid idiot then so be it - i dont care since you are only another "nick in the wall" (the wall being the forum)
 
 i do know that overclocking voids your warranty - but when it hasnt been blatant most retailers and wholesalers will help you though if you come back with a few cpu´s that have physical burn marks on them then they would show you the door - id have expected one of your obvious superior intellect to have known and expected that already - ive never had a wholesaler who turned down a reasonable rma yet - ps maybe i havent sold as much as you did yet but with an attitude like yours im sure im gonna overtake your sales figures soon
 
 ps B_C_R and cameron - i apologise for my outbursts - hopefully ill never have to repeat them since i have decided to let it roll whenever i come across a situation like this again - i have great respect for forums since i have had lots of help from people all over the world as part of my education as far as pc´s are concerned so i should have known better - thus i humbly apologise for the trouble [ Edited by naughty On Date May 31, 2003 ]

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 31 May 2003, 19:38

Hey guys,I just thought of something interesting: I´m only 15 and already (by what i´ve seen so far)I know more about overclocking than Lordrage does, and hey gues what!?I´m also starting my own computer business soon(selling parts and Computers) <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_eek.gif"> I´d personally also have to agree with Syncronos and Naughty.I view them both as being among the most helpful on these forums, and Lordrage usaully talks <a href="mailto:cr@p.">cr@p.</a> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> Hey Lordrage, who were you trying to diss in you´re last post.Plus I must say, it looks like YOU´RE a total retard. I´m sure that pretty much everyone here knows that overclocking nulls your warrintee(spelling)WOW you´re a programmer.Tell me,do you sit and stare at porn all night while having a bit of "Personal time",or does being such a total ******head come naturally?Also, do you have self-esteem problems?Because to me it seems like you´re trying to elevate yourself above the rest of us.I doubt that most people here have failed an exam,and just because you haven´t that doesn´t mean anything.You say you have exceeded the rest of us,but tell me do you have a good job?(That excludes being a waiter at Spur)and another thing,do you have a life???(That excludes chat sites)(Sorry Blessed_confusion but I had to say something)
 Right, back to the subject,could someone please give me some sites where I can read up about overclocking,instead of filling my forum with such willy-nilly <a href="mailto:cr@p.Much">cr@p.Much</a> appreciated,plus I still wana know whose running overclocked systems and at what speeds? <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_cool.gif">

Charger1406 · Post by **Charger1406** » 31 May 2003, 19:44

Sorry for my outburst cammie and B_C_R. I too have great respect for these forums and the mag. I have learn´t more than I care to count. <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_smile.gif"> I will also try to contain myself in future.(Maybe by going and fragging some bottom in Q3 UT2k3 <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif"> ) Plz i the above questions could be answered.

axis_K · Post by **axis_K** » 31 May 2003, 19:54

Wonderful, Well done, I coulod go on but JESUS CHRIST, what the f**k is wrong here, look ppl the only thing you´re both doing is entertaining the rest of us. REAL PROGRAMMERS, don´t look at porn the whole night, only half the night and having your own PC bussiness is not hard, you only need to get yourself registered as a delear from the main distrubutors which will require a registered CC. BTW don´t flame me here I´m not flaming you, I just want to put in a little humour b4 things get 2 out of hand. oh yeah, a nice link is <A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com" TARGET="_blank">TweakTown</A> been there about 5 minutes ago, excellent site!

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 31 May 2003, 20:01

charger - you should go to sites like anandtech/tomshardware/overclockers.com etc etc - and just browse around cos they all will give you bits of info about overclocking - this link to overclockers.com contains many beginner guides and will assist you
 
 <A HREF="http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/i ... p#BEGINNER GUIDES" TARGET="_blank">http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/i ... p#BEGINNER GUIDES</A> (clickable link)
 
 hope this contains some useful info for you - as for motherboard monitor 5 you can do a google search on it and look for a download link - thousands of sites have it available for download - if you have a problem to set it up then just ask in another new thread and im sure that the guys here will be able to help out
 
 also if you want to learn more about overclocking then you should join on to as many forums as you can where after reading the broad guides you can now ask specific questions - some of the useful forums where im a member at are futuremark forums/alliance for the advancement of the overclocking arts/amdmb and some of the south african ones besides for here are planetmars/drboot.co.za - im also a member at vrzone/extremesystems.org/icrontic (when it was operational) so most of these forums will answer your questions on overclocking while if you have graphics card problems then nvnews forums can sort out your nvidia problems while rage3d can sort out your problems with ati cards - graphics design - sure beyond3d is the site for you
 
 i unfortunately dont know any specific programming sites but im sure that LORDRAGE can help out there - id be interested in afew too when i start with programming (not being sarcastic here)
 
 hope that these sites will help you - if you want direct links then just holler - didnt have time right now to go to all of those and link but they are all easy to find - definitely go to the overclockers.com link cos thats great for beginners
 
 axis glad you found it amusing - anyways great link there as well
 
 
 [ Edited by naughty On Date May 31, 2003 ]

LordRage · Post by **LordRage** » 01 Jun 2003, 10:43

DONE! blessed_confusion_reigns I saved you the time!! pointless arguments shall not be undertaken again...
 
 have accepted defeat!! And apologise to all concerned, especially naughty!!!
 
 [ Edited by LordRage On Date June 01, 2003 ]

blessed_confusion_reigns · Post by **blessed_confusion_reigns** » 01 Jun 2003, 21:15

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD>Quote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><BLOCKQUOTE>
 On 2003-06-01 10:43, LordRage wrote:
 DONE! blessed_confusion_reigns I saved you the time!!
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 Thats what I like to see <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif">

nuf · Post by **nuf** » 04 Jun 2003, 09:48

Just remember to back everything up before you overclock. Thereâ€™s only a slight chance that you can lose info, but it does happen, trust me. Iâ€™ve crashed quite a few drives. But then I do tend to overdo things. I overclock everything in site. If I could overclock my TV I would. Iâ€™ve even got my PDA running at twice itâ€™s speed <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_smile.gif">

StormLister · Post by **StormLister** » 04 Jun 2003, 14:45

I think over clocking waist useless time, you hardly see the difference while causing instability. Charger1406 get out of the IT industry while you still can youâ€™ll eventually hate PCs trust me.. Anywayâ€¦if you feel like over clocking your pc throw yourself to the ground and ask yourself what the @$%% was I thinking. IT DOES NOT WORK. Maybe for the eye but not for the heart(cpu/gpu).

nuf · Post by **nuf** » 04 Jun 2003, 19:26

When you get a AMD 1700+ running at 2400+ ROCK STABLE, you notice a difference. Of course there are stability problems when you don´t do it properly. I could get the system running at 2800+ unstable, but it kinda misses the point.
 Remember even 1MHz means 1000000 more clock cycles per second.
 Overclocking can give life to a dead system.

naughty · Post by **naughty** » 05 Jun 2003, 20:48

stormlister - lol you sound like you are drunk or drugged up or both LOL - what you say does not make any sense at all HEH

StormLister · Post by **StormLister** » 06 Jun 2003, 09:13

Maybe you should learn to read English then it would make sense. I know my trade Electronic Engineer see. <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif"> <IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_lol.gif">