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http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-1333M ... 306&sr=8-1

Checked the prices this blog post quoted. :evil:

Why is SA so overpriced.. and i can't order from amazon because they won't ship ram here.

The Maths:
$299 = R 2 171,63 (Assuming American $)

In SA:
One stick costs
R 1,465.00 (took a random HIGH performance ram stick from pricecheck.co.za)

Here in SA.

for 6 sticks (4 x 6 = 24 ) that is

R 8790

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24 Gigabytes of Memory Ought to be Enough for Anybody

Are you familiar with this quote?

640K [of computer memory] ought to be enough for anybody. — Bill Gates
It's amusing, but Bill Gates never actually said that:

I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time … I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There's never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again.
One of the few killer features of the otherwise unexciting Intel Core i7 platform upgrade* is the subtle fact that Core i7 chips use triple channel memory. That means three memory slots at a minimum, and in practice most Core i7 motherboards have six memory slots.

The price of DDR3 ram has declined to the point that populating all six slots of memory with 4 GB memory is, well, not cheap -- but quite attainable at $299 and declining.



Twenty-four gigabytes of system memory for a mere $299! That's about $12.50 per gigabyte.

(And if you don't have a Core i7 system, they're not expensive to build, either. You can pair an inexpensive motherboard with even the slowest and cheapest triple channel compatible i7-950, which is plenty speedy – and overclocks well, if you're into that. Throw in the 24 GB of ram, and it all adds up to about $800 total. Don't forget the power supply and CPU cooler, though.)

Remember when one gigabyte of system memory was considered a lot? For context, our first "real" Stack Overflow database server had 24 GB of memory. Now I have that much in my desktop … just because I can. Well, that's not entirely true, as we do work with some sizable databases while building the Stack Exchange network.



I guess having 24 gigabytes of system memory is a little extravagant, but at these prices -- why not? What's the harm in having obscene amounts of memory, making my system effectively future proof?

I have to say that in 1981, making those decisions, I felt like I was providing enough freedom for 10 years. That is, a move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time. Well, it didn't – it took about only 6 years before people started to see that as a real problem. — Bill Gates
To me, it's more about no longer needing to think about memory as a scarce resource, something you allocate carefully and manage with great care. There's just .. lots. As Clay Shirky once related to me, via one of his college computer science professors:

Algorithms are for people who don't know how to buy RAM.
I mean, 24 GB of memory should be enough for anybody… right?

* it's only blah on the desktop; on the server the Nehalem architecture is indeed a monster and anyone running a server should upgrade to it, stat.
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1. Why are you selecting "high performance" from an SA supplier, and you settle "Komputerbay" from Amazon? Kinda biased if you ask me.

Anyway, check this:

http://www.prophecy.co.za/corsair-cmp24 ... 69863.html

Double of the Amazon price, but then it is Corsair RAM, and it is 1333 and not 1066.

So I am thinking you are complaining for nothing.
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If you want 24GB' of RAM, the you will have to fork out the cash.

Most things are overpriced in SA anyways. No real use in complaining. :|
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wizardofid wrote:Why is the in the ward ?
This thread is not in the ward... Not any more in any case :P

Why in the name of Zuse **** doe you want 24GB of RAM in a home desktop PC ??????

Yes I get the whole performance thing but seriously.... for 90% of servers you won't even use that much. It is only really when you start working with GIS or molecular analysis or something to that extent where you even need to contemplate that amount of data.

Oh wait... you wanna create a RAMDisk and run your games directly from there.

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RuadRauFlessa wrote:It is only really when you start working with GIS or molecular analysis or something to that extent where you even need to contemplate that amount of data.
Most enterprise level database servers need to be big these days - regardless of database platform or OS

Plus in-memory databases like solidDB which are becoming very popular...

32GB is pretty much entry level for a serious database server now - although that is server RAM and has nothing to do with the OP, which is remarkably silly as only someone with a micro-ePenis would ever contemplate 24GB of RAM in a desktop PC.
Maybe in 5 years time...
But for now even 12GB is overkill IMO
6 to 8 is more than sufficient.
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Hmmm doo that could actually work but won't work for something like WoW... I would need at least 50GB as the client itself is pushing about 30GB

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jamin_za wrote:
RuadRauFlessa wrote:It is only really when you start working with GIS or molecular analysis or something to that extent where you even need to contemplate that amount of data.
Most enterprise level database servers need to be big these days - regardless of database platform or OS
I call Bull on that one. We are running an Incident management system for some of the biggest companies in the country and I am sitting with 8GB of RAM on the server running Window Server 2008 R2 and SQL Server... There are about 8 auxiliary services running which does integration between us and our customers on a per event basis. There are reporting services running on the same box. Guess what.... I am currently sitting with over 2GB of free memory... No need for more at this stage. Oh and the thing is fast enough for me to do a table scan through about 2 million records and not even feel it.
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Also... you know... the OP was pulling figures from the ether and things aren't as bad as he said.
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This is a thread about having cutting edge amounts of RAM in a system. That always pushed up the price.
Take my issue. I have a lappie with 4gigs DDR3 RAM in it and if I want to push it to 8 I need 2 times 4gig modules which are 15-30% more per gig than regular modules. Why? Because they know you have no other option.

Put simply yes we do get ripped off but there is a point where they stop trying to rip everyone off by a huge amount and the prices dropped.

Personally I think 12gigs is too much but it's a nice number for a triple channel system since all modules are 4gigs.
Remember the guys who had 4 times 1gig modules in their old systems?
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RRF go to your wow folder and delete the stuff in the update folder. My wow is only taking up 23.3gb atm.

As for ram. I could have gotten 8gb of kingstone value 1333 for R800. I payed R2800 in total for transcend axe ram 2000 8gb.
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RuadRauFlessa wrote:I call Bull on that one. We are running an Incident management system for some of the biggest companies in the country and I am sitting with 8GB of RAM on the server running Window Server 2008 R2 and SQL Server...
you're running VMs? if not, i wouldn't be so quick to call bull..... :/
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My RAM that is around the same specs as the Komputerbay RAM was just about R3300 for 24GB. If you take import duties and tax at around 30% and 30% profit I see no issue here.
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rustypup wrote:
RuadRauFlessa wrote:I call Bull on that one. We are running an Incident management system for some of the biggest companies in the country and I am sitting with 8GB of RAM on the server running Window Server 2008 R2 and SQL Server...
you're running VMs? if not, i wouldn't be so quick to call bull..... :/
Unless you are running an Itanium2 server with hardware visualization I just don't see the point of it. Virtualization is a memory hog as you well know and it never runs quite as it should. Also if you run a single DB on a single VM I don't see the point either. Just run the thing natively. Also if you say that the 32GB minimum is based solely on the use of VMs then you could be right but you can't say that a VM and 32GB RAM is entry point for a DB server. Due also to the immense amount of cashing happening in database operations I would say you need to be off your rockers to use a VM as a platform for a DB server as the VM also has its overhead. Prime focus on any issue besides data integrity is speed. You can't get the hdd or memory access speeds from within a VM which you can get on a clean platform. Hence still I would say 32GB as a bare-bone benchmark is serious overkill.
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RuadRauFlessa wrote:Incident management system
Not sure if serious...
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Actually the feasibility towards running with that much RAM actually constitutes towards or against the cost
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OP was not talking about server RAM, or VM, or database performance, or ...
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Let me try to clear this up.

i was using amazon website to confirm the quoted $ price for the 24GB of RAM. i am not saying i want 24GB of ram.

again i was checking that you pay about $299 in america for 24GB.

i would be quite happy myself with 8 to 12GB. not that i can afford it nor can my motherboard take it.

i just wanted to point out the price difference in SA versus America.

And find out if its possible to import or find in SA for a reasonable price.

Sorry that this turned into a out of control flame war.

and mass OFF TOPIC discussion.

Mods can feel free to lock if they feel they want to.

EDIT: This is the original blog post that i read: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/0 ... ybody.html

Looking at the original post he quotes the the ram is G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9T2-24GBRL

I am not so clued up on what is performance ram. but it looks like it. that is why i looked at performance ram prices on price check.
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http://www.pcint.co.za/components.php

4GB DDR3 = R410
X6

R2460

About the same as the Amazon thing you linked.
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GreyWolf wrote:A moderator and admin being the culprits. Will wonders never cease?
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Corsair Value Select DDR3-1333 4GB sticks @ R433.20 each = R2 599.20 +R62 for shipping = R2 661.20

I am sorry to say but your argument is invalid because the local retailer will also assist in RMA claims and shipping will only cost you R62, while custom charges on the imported RAM will cost you R627.90 (30% of your figure of $299) and that excludes international shipping.
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