local download solution?

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:00

Read my post above VinceThePrince

VinceThePrince · Post by **VinceThePrince** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:00

.... I can already hear the copywrite guys going insane... You will not be charging for the data... You will charging for the service of downloading the data....

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:05

Why would they be though? If its free apps, demos and trial software there are no legallities involved as far as I can see

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:06

What I can do is when I open my online store I can post up what I have downloaded, and a request line for you guys and you can order stuff like that

Hman · Post by **Hman** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:13

Hman wrote:Maybe we should approach a few companies who could pay for the server space in trade for advertising space on a main entry site?

VinceThePrince · Post by **VinceThePrince** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:20

silv3rback wrote:Why would they be though? If its free apps, demos and trial software there are no legallities involved as far as I can see

The reason is that copywrite law (even on demo's) is that you cannot sell the data for profit without the express written consent of the owners.

Synthesis · Post by **Synthesis** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:23

silv3rback wrote:What I can do is when I open my online store I can post up what I have downloaded, and a request line for you guys and you can order stuff like that

Thanks man, cool, now that the DVD issue is sorted can we maybe start working on getting something for us to be able to download to put on those DVD's? Ja, we can approach companies, like PCF for example. I think we're busy doing that. But we want it to stay here at PCF for members only. Ideal would be just a downloads area with a few mods keping check just like any other thread, FTP access to upload with your account usrnme/pass and must be logged in to access the downloads area.

VinceThePrince · Post by **VinceThePrince** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:31

I agree with the idea that Synthesis has... PCF already has the staging area for a setup like this.

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:36

Will not work. The same will happen as is happening with the for sale section. People register just for that... Suddenly the forum gets flooded with non-active members... This is a discussion forum. Unfortunately if we want a download thing we would have to look at our own option guys...

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:39

Also, this would force PCF to accept responsibility. It opens them to a lot of liability... What if prn or pirate stuff is posted and the admin miss it for a day?

VinceThePrince · Post by **VinceThePrince** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:40

Can we not make some kind of ruling that should your account be(come) inactive, that you will no longer be allowed to access to that section???

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:43

How will you administer this? Who will have access to this?

What if I post once in 4 months?

How do you determine what is active and what not? To who do you give access to users accounts to manage this, becoz Cameron sure as hell wont...

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:56

Sorry I've missed so much. Gonna try and address the issues at hand here

Copyright: Thing is, if Im gonna be downloading and sending out copies I wont be making a profit. R10 for a DVD & R35.90 for shipping. No mark up there

User rights: Make it so that you have to have a certain ammount of posts to access the download area or something. After all guys, it is a forum which is free so if people use it to download content, they still using a service that PCF is supplying, just like the forum

*EDIT: With user control, I dont mind taking the rights on to do this, if people start abusing the service we just kick them off, but yet again, why would you want to control who downloads and who doesnt, in my view its just being stingey (spelling?!)

douglash · Post by **douglash** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:01

silv3rback wrote:User rights: Make it so that you have to have a certain ammount of posts to access the download area or something. After all guys, it is a forum which is free so if people use it to download content, they still using a service that PCF is supplying, just like the forum

that would work, but maybe even better that the users have to post a certain amount of posts on a monthly basis, otherwise non-active members will just post their required amount and then never again..

damn - this is quite intricate, but a very very good idea... 8O

Cure · Post by **Cure** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:01

User rights: Make it so that you have to have a certain ammount of posts to access the download area or something. After all guys, it is a forum which is free so if people use it to download content, they still using a service that PCF is supplying, just like the forum

Just don't make that required post count to high now... some of us don't spam all that often.

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:04

OK, limiting users to access the download section is possible BUT the PCF team will have to implement a phpbb mod that does this

Something along the lines that after you reach 100 posts for example you get a PM sent to you with a username and password

On the other hand, why limit the users?? It doesnt really make all that much sense to me

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:20

Because, as I said, otherwise you get just another download site where hundreds of people register and PCF have to take the grunt of the cost due to the bandwidth usage on their site... Downloading game demos will take up considerable cap usage...

Also, if you just limit on post count, I can just join, spam like tribble for 2 days and BANG, I have access... Thus no true contribution to these forums were made and I get free local download options...

Also, if limiting to posts was very easy, PCF would have implemented this some time ago in the for sale section.

There is costs involved and I dont see PCF picking up the bill for free...

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:22

Uh, guys... Pcf makes a chunk of cash off people who buy the mag just for the coverdisk. They'd lose so much money if they were to do what we're proposing... Unless they make it open to subscribers only?

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:27

Point taken

Maybe we should have an application of sorts for users to fill out and it gets checked up mods or something...
After it has been passed you get a username and password and there you go: download

Going back onto topic though, are we planning to use P2P or server based networks?

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:29

D3PART3D wrote:Uh, guys... Pcf makes a chunk of cash off people who buy the mag just for the coverdisk. They'd lose so much money if they were to do what we're proposing... Unless they make it open to subscribers only?

Was also thinking along those lines. I highly doubt any company would just give GB's of cap away for us to download data

What about the p2p thing though, users would just share what they have, simple. No need to buy domains and TB's of space.... think about it

supagx · Post by **supagx** » 30 Oct 2007, 12:00

There is one other small problem with the p2p idea:
Uploading/seeding also counts to your cap, so people who have limited bandwidth are still a bit stuck.

Cure · Post by **Cure** » 30 Oct 2007, 12:02

Also, if you just limit on post count, I can just join, spam like tribble for 2 days and BANG, I have access... Thus no true contribution to these forums were made and I get free local download options...

If we did use post counts then we'd also have to check post history to ensure no spamming... that a lot of extra effort. Although a post limiting system just asks for spamming, since a user will register now and expect to download now.

Uh, guys... Pcf makes a chunk of cash off people who buy the mag just for the coverdisk. They'd lose so much money if they were to do what we're proposing... Unless they make it open to subscribers only?

And here I actually buy it for the articles

WAJeff · Post by **WAJeff** » 30 Oct 2007, 12:07

supagx wrote:There is one other small problem with the p2p idea:
Uploading/seeding also counts to your cap, so people who have limited bandwidth are still a bit stuck.

As we said before, the guys with uncapped lines will contribute. Also, guys with 5GB+- could also seed a little bit. Sharing is caring remember

Cure wrote:If we did use post counts then we'd also have to check post history to ensure no spamming... that a lot of extra effort. Although a post limiting system just asks for spamming, since a user will register now and expect to download now.

As I said before, make an application form of sorts and get someone to check it out before giving the user access

Cure · Post by **Cure** » 30 Oct 2007, 12:10

As we said before, the guys with uncapped lines will contribute. Also, guys with 5GB+- could also seed a little bit. Sharing is caring remember

In the case of bittorrent you share while you download so that's going to eat up cap.

douglash · Post by **douglash** » 30 Oct 2007, 12:12

slasher wrote:Also, if you just limit on post count, I can just join, spam like tribble for 2 days and BANG

ouch - that's nasty...

damn, i almost spammed again....

back on-topic - ok, so maybe the posts count thing isn't the greatest idea, but then how else? what about a reputation count, like they use on SS and Overclock.net?