To Bypass Internet Censorship: A Guide.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 17 Oct 2007, 11:00

lancelot wrote: if it induces someone to break the law, that is the responsibility of the perpetrator.

precisely...

lancelot wrote:As to this country carrying out media censorship, they do not

except, of course, when it was ruled that certain cartoons shouldn't be printed, or the numerous overturned gag orders around certain high level ministers and their less than salubrious ciminal activities... point is, it's not through lack of trying. broadcast media in this country has zero freedom in reporting, (not that it was ever worth listening to in the first place). the print media retains a certain level of autonomy, but even that is being eroded through the simple expedient of bullying... this sees SA haemorraging the talented reporters to friendlier climes.

should they implement content based censorship at the ISP level, how long would it take for you to discover this?....

PhReaK_K · Post by **PhReaK_K** » 17 Oct 2007, 11:14

rustypup wrote: should they implement content based censorship at the ISP level, how long would it take for you to discover this?....

mmm interesting oint, never thought of it in that way.... really long i would guess.. Pobly read about it in the papers or here befor noticing it self ..

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 17 Oct 2007, 11:28

PhReaK_K wrote:
lancelot wrote: As to this country carrying out media censorship, they do not, the hype in the press at the moment centres around the printing of documents obtained illegally, documents that are personal and these document contents are protected by our constitution.
Also debatable..

There is very little to debate regarding the above points, a confession to a priest is protected by the law, my medical records are also protected by the law and the constitution, this applies to everybody, "Public Interest" is a media excuse, they are going to pay heavily for this transgression.

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 17 Oct 2007, 11:40

rustypup wrote:
lancelot wrote: if it induces someone to break the law, that is the responsibility of the perpetrator.
precisely...

lancelot wrote:As to this country carrying out media censorship, they do not
except, of course, when it was ruled that certain cartoons shouldn't be printed, or the numerous overturned gag orders around certain high level ministers and their less than salubrious ciminal activities... point is, it's not through lack of trying. broadcast media in this country has zero freedom in reporting, (not that it was ever worth listening to in the first place). the print media retains a certain level of autonomy, but even that is being eroded through the simple expedient of bullying... this sees SA haemorraging the talented reporters to friendlier climes.

should they implement content based censorship at the ISP level, how long would it take for you to discover this?....

I disagree strongly with your assumptions, the cartoons were not printed because this country, like so many others, is deathly afraid of Islamic extremists, that was the only reason, fear. They have no problems printing anti Christian cartoons, Zapiro revels in this. So now that that is sorted, lets look at the others.
Bullying is no excuse for not printing, any reporter and editor worth their salt will not be intimidated. Even during the apartheid era, newspapers stood their ground. Gagging orders on whom? The Selebi thing, the Kebble escapade, elaborate please!

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 17 Oct 2007, 12:04

SA's press freedom index
FXI

i'm rarely had for a bumpkin. things are not improving...

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 17 Oct 2007, 13:07

South Africa ranks 44th out of 168 countries in Reporters Without Borders' (RSF's) latest index of press freedom - down from 31st position in the 2005 index, but still well within the top 50 countries said to have "genuine press freedom".

Thank you for a most interesting site, enjoyed it, will spend some time there later.

The freedom of Expression site was the usual left wing rant but also interesting.

RobThePyro · Post by **RobThePyro** » 17 Oct 2007, 13:24

jamin_za wrote:
Slasher wrote:It is advocating illegal activity and immoral behaviour...
In that case lets sticky it!

jamin for president!!!! W00T!!!!!!

Rob~!

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 17 Oct 2007, 13:25

lancelot wrote:The freedom of Expression site was the usual left wing rant but also interesting.

they do tend to go a little overboard... still, a fair amount of worthwhile info comes through there.

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 17 Oct 2007, 15:52

So if I write a document on how to kill a man, how to rob a bank or avoid paying taxes in the country that is RSA it would be fine? Nothing illegal to it... It is the person that actually uses it that takes responsibility?

Yes, it is an 'over'-example, but still... That is the point you are trying to make...

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 17 Oct 2007, 16:21

Slasher wrote:It is the person that actually uses it that takes responsibility?

i'm not really making a judgment call, mainly because, if anything, i support this sort of excercise. this knowledge should be second nature to every net user. good or bad, it is essential to grasp how this works - even more importantly why it works and, (most importantly(?)), why it is even necessary.

despite that, how would you equate a manual on murder, (which falls under popular fiction), with a discussion on how to protect your privacy, (right up there with a right to vote, copulate, congregate, live, etc as per the UN charter)?

how high up would you rank your right to privacy?

and don't get sidetracked by the whole "breaking the law/rules" bit... it's a spurious distortion of the facts. most online legal gumpf revolves around some of the oldest crimes in recorded history. these crimes are not unique to the internet and will not vanish because of the some half-baked legislation. whether or not this sort of information is made readily available, i sincerely doubt that those bent on committing these crimes will be put off by its scarcity..

abuse of the internet at your place of work has a very, very, simple solution. having to play policeman every second of everyday is not it.

you may not value this sort of information highly, living, (as you do), in a relatively democratic country, but a visit or two beyond our borders will soon change that.......

douglash · Post by **douglash** » 17 Oct 2007, 16:31

sorry to possibly spam a thread, but this may be relevant (your honour).

Has anyone heard of the "anarchist's cookbook"?

Google it - now if this is available online, then why shouldn't everything else be?

just a thought...

Hex_Rated · Post by **Hex_Rated** » 17 Oct 2007, 16:39

So if I write a document on how to kill a man, how to rob a bank or avoid paying taxes in the country that is RSA it would be fine?

How to kill a man
Step 1: Pick up knife.
Step 2: Find victim.
Step 3: Stab victim in neck.
or Alternatively:
Step 1: Read OJ Simpson's new book

How to rob a bank
Step 1: Pick up gun.
Step 2: Walk into bank.
Step 3: Point gun and demand money.

How to avoid paying taxes
Step 1: Don't pay.

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 17 Oct 2007, 16:58

Magnetic bra clips ftw!

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 17 Oct 2007, 16:58

Hex_Rated wrote: How to rob a bank
Step 1: Pick up gun.
Step 2: Walk into bank.
Step 3: Point gun and demand money.

The author appears to have forgotten to include the most crucial step...

4: Leave with ill-gotten gains and/or free bullets lodged in your intestine...

a riveting read nonetheless...

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 17 Oct 2007, 17:06

Without a doubt my fav invention! They're ingenious! Well done wonderbra!

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 17 Oct 2007, 17:13

I should start a thread, hey? Give me a minute.

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 17 Oct 2007, 17:25

Where's the bra clip section?

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 17 Oct 2007, 19:16

Do not be a fool, D3PART3D. If you continue to Spam here you will receive a temporary ban, be warned!

D3PART3D · Post by **D3PART3D** » 17 Oct 2007, 19:48

Sorry your 1337ness, exam stress.

Post by **Anakha56** » 17 Oct 2007, 21:26

wow...

I did not expect this thread to cause so much errr anger? Maybe I should have linked to the article instead of the pdf maybe then it would not have ruffled the feathers?

I am glad most people found the read educational, besides the negatives that people appear to be focusing on have you stopped to consider the positive side? By releasing this information those same countries that were blocking access to sites can now read the guide and make changes to make the guide ineffective.

Post by **Anakha56** » 17 Oct 2007, 23:10

This is where I got the original article for those interested

RobThePyro · Post by **RobThePyro** » 18 Oct 2007, 00:06

You are pushing your luck, one more piece of spam on this thread and the poster will be banned for two weeks.

Lancelot

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 18 Oct 2007, 09:03

<completely OT..>

D3PART3D wrote:Magnetic bra clips ftw!

RobThePyro wrote:oh and YES MAGNETIC BRA CLIPS FTW!!!!! W00T

multiple spam threads available and you have to come and deface this one with your purile rubbush?..

for the love of a furry trans-gender otter, why? are we both "special"?

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 18 Oct 2007, 09:26

Agreed with Rusty...

Why are you posting that cr@p in here... Banstik in this instance, would be a definite FTW!

Rusty - I see the point regarding how to fix it, but why is the document not written from that perspective...

I also feel freedom of speech is there, but in the corporate environment, whether it is controlled by policing or whatever, it is still against their rules...

I still see no other function behind the document than to assist people in breaking laws/rules...

Morals is something I live by, you can not expect me to look past them because you can... Such is life, to each his own...

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 18 Oct 2007, 09:29

Anakha56 wrote:This is where I got the original article for those interested

This subject will remain contentious I think. While I can see its value for those countries with draconian censorship, mainly because of political reasoning, the possibility of using circumvention techniques to browse child porn and some other suspect sites still worries me, but that is me.
I am for freedom of expression but without wanting the best of both worlds, I do believe in restrictions as well. I feel that no one has the right to express hateful beliefs and what is more, attempt to persuade others to accept these. I think of various cults which have caused misery, the ongoing slave trade (an estimated 27 million people are enslaved as we discuss this) kidnapping of young girls for prostitution rings, the list goes on. I know I always harp on "absolutes" but really, a line does need to be drawn. Otherwise we are robbed of many tools to combat the atrocities around us today.

What has this to do with "circumvention"? Only the areas that I have mentioned, it will make it easier to conduct business.