Domain Name?

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 09:23

Hey

Ive got this plan to build a website.

There is many hosting services out there.
So that shouldn't be a problem o.

Domain name registration is an issue for me.
I dont know how it works

First of all who do i contact who's in charge of domain names ?
And what is the costs? and what is domain name parking.
some hosting companies charge something like 40 bucks p/m to
park your name on their server ?

And if i register lest say a .co.za name whats the monthly costs?
or a .com i assume that would be more expensive ?

is it a once off thing or would you have to pay p/m?

I need a registered name so it can be found on google, and
does any one know if sub domains can be found on google.

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 30 May 2007, 09:28

Interesting questions there SpongeBob!

I would also like to know more about domain name registrations...

:tellme:

anyone?

Post by **KillerByte** » 30 May 2007, 09:29

the cost of a .co.za domain is R50 p/a

the cost of a .za.net domain is R0 p/a

some companies will charge you R70 for the .co.za considering they do all the paper work for you. Contact who ever you plan to buy hosting from, they will register you for a nominal fee.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 09:33

KillerByte wrote:the cost of a .co.za domain is R50 p/a

the cost of a .za.net domain is R0 p/a

some companies will charge you R70 for the .co.za considering they do all the paper work for you. Contact who ever you plan to buy hosting from, they will register you for a nominal fee.

Sounds good, but where do i register
http://co.za/ ?

Post by **Cameron_Losco** » 30 May 2007, 09:33

KillerByte wrote:the cost of a .co.za domain is R50 p/a

the cost of a .za.net domain is R0 p/a

some companies will charge you R70 for the .co.za considering they do all the paper work for you. Contact who ever you plan to buy hosting from, they will register you for a nominal fee.

Agreed, it's very easy if you get your domain through your hosts and shouldn't cost you that much extra.

If you want to register a domain on co.za yourself you will need domain servers, this is also the reason why you get charged to park a domain.

Post by **Cameron_Losco** » 30 May 2007, 09:36

Go here

http://co.za/intro/whereform.shtml

Edit

I would advise that you get your hosts to manage the domain, makes life very easy. You can also have your domain managed by an ISP like IS but the once off cost is a little heavy.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 09:39

Cameron_Losco wrote:
KillerByte wrote:the cost of a .co.za domain is R50 p/a

the cost of a .za.net domain is R0 p/a

some companies will charge you R70 for the .co.za considering they do all the paper work for you. Contact who ever you plan to buy hosting from, they will register you for a nominal fee.
Agreed, it's very easy if you get your domain through your hosts and shouldn't cost you that much extra.

If you want to register a domain on co.za yourself you will need domain servers, this is also the reason why you get charged to park a domain.

Ok so its not that big of a deal to get a registered name.
Thanks guys.

, But what does domain name parking do ?
If it is registered, what then ?

Will someone have to keep it alive by parking it for you?

Edit:
What if i register a .za.net name and use a free hosting service that allows you to use your own registerd domain name?

Will it work or will i still need to park it?

Post by **KillerByte** » 30 May 2007, 09:42

you repay the registration fee every year, you have a host and thats all.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 09:46

KillerByte wrote:you repay the registration fee every year, you have a host and thats all.

Sorry i have many quesions.
Can a couple of years be paid upfront?

I still dont really understand this.

Who is in charge of domain names, who ultimately controls it in the end.
I cant understand how services can sell domain names, if they can why can i have one free?

surely something like this belongs to someone like the government ?

Post by **Cameron_Losco** » 30 May 2007, 09:48

Parking is just that, holding the domain. Hosts will charge you a fee to park a domain because you are using their servers but not necessarily hosting a Website. If you are hosting a Website with the host you don't normally get charged this fee.

From there you just need to pay your renewal fee, as KillerByte said.

Post by **KillerByte** » 30 May 2007, 09:48

i don't know.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 09:52

Cameron_Losco wrote:Parking is just that, holding the domain. Hosts will charge you a fee to park a domain because you are using their servers but not necessarily hosting a Website. If you are hosting a Website with the host you don't normally get charged this fee.

From there you just need to pay your renewal fee, as KillerByte said.

Ok but if i paid 50 buckss or what ever for it why must i pay someone elese again to hold it.

or is it linked to a specific IP address ? (The server where its parked)

MrDeVil_909 · Post by **MrDeVil_909** » 30 May 2007, 09:56

The domain needs to direct to a specific location.

Many decent hosting services will give you a free domain name when you sign up with them, especially if you sign a contract, and they will park for free.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 10:01

MrDeVil_909 wrote:The domain needs to direct to a specific location.

Many decent hosting services will give you a free domain name when you sign up with them, especially if you sign a contract, and they will park for free.

Thanks dude , thats what i wanted to know.

So a Hostname needs to be assigned to an ip address , and the ip address.
is someone else's, and you have to pay to link to their IP.

Understood!!

This is more than enough to get me started. I do have a million other questions regarding this, But i wont bore you with it.

And MX records *sigh*

I will leave that for a different day.

GrimStoner · Post by **GrimStoner** » 30 May 2007, 10:06

Check out http://www.hetzner.co.za.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 10:15

GrimStoner wrote:Check out http://www.hetzner.co.za.

All Account Levels Set-up Monthly
Account Upgrade R49 -
Account Downgrade - -
POP3-Accessible Mailbox - R9
Domain Parking - -
SSL Encryption R149 -
THAWTE Standard Certificate New - $199, annual renewal $159 -
THAWTE 123 SSL Certificate R619 per annum -

Business Level Set-up Monthly
Multiple Domains R49 R39

Does this mean i can park my domain name there free (Without using their services)

I think have seen cheaper options than this before BTW.

Edit: No it doesnt, anyway i do understand it better now.

I will search for the right Hosting service.

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 30 May 2007, 10:17

Maybe cheaper but not as good!

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 10:26

Do i sense, hetzner employees in here ?

Must be i think that hosting service used to have an
add on this very same site.

Just kidding

What makes them better?

Post by **Cameron_Losco** » 30 May 2007, 10:45

It's actually a lot easier than you think and you really only need to worry about MX records and so on if you are hosting things yourself or if you have your own mail server. If you sign up with a hosting company you won't have to worry about all this, they will take care of everything for you. Sit back, relax and concentrate on your Website.

Yes, currently PCF is being hosted by Hetzner but this will be changing soon. Absolutely nothing to do with the service they offer, they are very good.

What makes a host better is uptime, redundancy and service.

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 11:15

Oh ok just as long as we dont have downtime Cameron.

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 30 May 2007, 11:40

My turn:

So what happens when you need to update your site. how do you go about doing that, and does it cost anything??

Do they (hetzner in this case) allow you do have admin rights on your site without it affecting uptime or what??

somebody please explain. I'm not too sure I'm making too much sense...

:crazy:

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 30 May 2007, 11:44

You get direct ftp access to your site as well as a control panel from which you can do a lot of things as well... Not sure about hetzner have it, but the rest do...

Updating is free... You basically pay for a part of the web server. Its like having your own server, without all the hassles of setup and maintenance...

MrDeVil_909 · Post by **MrDeVil_909** » 30 May 2007, 11:46

I'm a total noob, but I administered my own site for a while. The host will give you a control panel, a lot like the CP for any forum (like this one).

There is no downtime for updates as you can basically usually just use your browser to over-write the files and administer the site. You don't even need to use ftp.

If I could do it anyone can, trust me.

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 30 May 2007, 11:48

Slasher wrote:You get direct ftp access to your site as well as a control panel from which you can do a lot of things as well... Not sure about hetzner have it, but the rest do...

So you basically do everything on your own PC (let's say you're updating one page), then you just press e.g. "synchronise" then the old page gets replaced by the one you just did?? :tellme:

Slasher wrote:Updating is free... You basically pay for a part of the web server. Its like having your own server, without all the hassles of setup and maintenance...

So that's covered by the p.a. fee??
:tellme:

SBSP · Post by **SBSP** » 30 May 2007, 12:24

PaperCut wrote:
Slasher wrote:You get direct ftp access to your site as well as a control panel from which you can do a lot of things as well... Not sure about hetzner have it, but the rest do...
So you basically do everything on your own PC (let's say you're updating one page), then you just press e.g. "synchronise" then the old page gets replaced by the one you just did?? :tellme:

Slasher wrote:Updating is free... You basically pay for a part of the web server. Its like having your own server, without all the hassles of setup and maintenance...
So that's covered by the p.a. fee??
:tellme:

You have username and password to your WWW root folder via FTP.
you then also get a MySQL username and Password for your database if you use joomla for instance.