VMware

Slimshaedy · Post by **Slimshaedy** » 16 Oct 2010, 16:02

Ok I'm studying for my mcse and I'd like to get vmware which will allow me to create a virtual network on my pc. Now should I get vmware server edition?
Can I run it on windows 7 and create many virtual workstations or will it only support a certain amount.
I'm not sure how the whole thing works... Do u have to install a copy of windows on the virtual machine or what??

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » 16 Oct 2010, 16:50

Rather grab Sun Virtualbox. Free download and it does the same. You can start as many as you like, if your host PC is fast enough.
Yes you install a copy of windows/linux on the virtual machine as you would on a real PC.

Slimshaedy · Post by **Slimshaedy** » 16 Oct 2010, 17:10

Sun virtualbox? U sure that's better? I just wana practice on a network. I'll install windows server 2003 and just play around on it.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » 16 Oct 2010, 17:58

Have been using to for quite a while now to test new software. I have used VMware server and there is nothing wrong with it, but Virtualbox feels better. Win2003 server will run just fine if you have a fast enough host machine. Better still would be if the host machine have virtualization extensions on its CPU.

DJT · Post by **DJT** » 17 Oct 2010, 20:05

I am also studying MCSE, and use VMWare to study, practise and mess around with. Works well. Depending on your host or physical machine you can run multiple ones. MCSE is Windows XP and Server 2003, so each VM can run on minimal resources too, 256mb ram for each xp vm is suitable for network testing. Only downside is not free. Never got Sun VirtualBox to work properly, but if you can, give it a shot.

let me know what works best for you. I still got several months of this to go

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 18 Oct 2010, 08:35

vmware is absolute crud... especially on vlans....

Nuke has the right of it... VirtualBox is the superior product... in every sense...

sadly, it's no longer Sun, but Oracle... so expect to see some silliness soon...

ghondar · Post by **ghondar** » 18 Oct 2010, 08:38

Hi

WMware Workstation is good i also used it to practise AD stuff for my MCSE and it's free.
You can also download a free copy of VMware Hypervisor ESXi 4 for free but you need a dedicated machine for it
with lots of ram and atleast a xeon CPU.

Post by **ryanrich** » 18 Oct 2010, 12:13

Yeah Workstation is good, but the free Server product is pretty crappy. Rather go with VirtualBox...

Slimshaedy · Post by **Slimshaedy** » 18 Oct 2010, 13:00

Iv researched and virtualbox looks best. I just have to try download it. We don't have adsl at home unfortunately!

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 22 Oct 2010, 06:31

If you are doing your MCSE you should have got a copy of Virtual PC in a CD pack somewhere...
If not you can downlaod it and use it.
Before I get flamed, I know it's nowhere near VMWare or HyperV - but it works well for people creating and using small networks for study purposesand is easier to configure.

rustypup wrote:vmware is absolute crud... especially on vlans....

Nonesense.
VMWare ESX is the industry leader in virtualization and for pretty good reason. It's miles ahead of any of it's competitiors including any HyperV offerings.
My old company had several ESX servers communication with clients and other ESX servers across VLANs with no hassles. Everything from normal connectivity to V-motion worked just fine.

If you have VLAN problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but my network aint one

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 22 Oct 2010, 08:09

vmware freeware still sucks worse than julius... deal with it... i sincerely doubt the OP is looking to pay for ESX... just saying... it sucks particularly badly at vlans... virtual pc is hardly any better... :/

also: get a job, hippy!

ghondar · Post by **ghondar** » 22 Oct 2010, 08:30

I have to agree vmware is ahead in the race where virtulization is concerned, nontheless it's personal prefrence what ever you can make work for your problem should be the solution you must use.
IMHO XenServer is not bad either.

Slimshaedy · Post by **Slimshaedy** » 22 Oct 2010, 10:24

It seems everyone has their own personal preference. Research on virtualbox shows that its better than vmware,plus its freeware.
But if I'm having a problem with virtualbox then I'll try another app.

Cupis · Post by **Cupis** » 22 Oct 2010, 11:02

Well Virtual machine has picked up its product for Windows 7... with its Windows XP mode.... I have had no problems hosting with it

But as everyone has said, i have heard the Virtual Box is much better...

ghondar · Post by **ghondar** » 22 Oct 2010, 11:40

I think it's wrong in saying virtual box is better than vmware, we use vmware at high profile customers hosting 100's of servers,
virtual box is ok for a one man installs and running a few vm's but it does not scale data centres like esx.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 22 Oct 2010, 12:04

i) clearly it also prevents you from reading the OP...

ii) the free vmware version is still cruddy... no matter how much you love it...
iii) virtualbox scales all over the place, including *nix platforms and blades... you vmware fanbois couldn't find factually accurate advice if it were sleeping with your significant other while taking potshots at your pet rabbit... prove me wrong! <This is a paid for advertisement by Trolls-R-Us. Trolls-R-Us! When you absolutely have to induce conniptions! (One free conniption with every new account. Trolls-R-Us is a wholly owned subsidiary of Beelzebub Enterprises. Conniptions may vary in actual size from that advertised. Excess usage may lead to Coventry.)>

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 22 Oct 2010, 12:16

rustypup wrote:the free vmware version is still cruddy... no matter how much you love it...

Yes, in it's current incarnation it is less than ideal.
But get your hands on the old VMWare GSX sever.

rustypup wrote:virtualbox scales all over the place, including *nix platforms and blades...

And like every other Java based app it suffers a speed penalty across all platforms for this scalability.
I'll tell you another secret: VMWare ESX also runs on nix.
But hey, good luck running Server 2008 with DX10 ona platform with little to no 3D. And you want to criticise VMWare for lack of support? As far as I know Virtualbox has no official support.

Ultimately, this is a petty and meaningless argument - which means I will own it, so don't go there girlfriend!
Both Virtualbox and VMWare do what they say they will and do it reasonably well. They will both be suitable for what the OP wants to do, but neither should be use in a production environment.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 22 Oct 2010, 12:33

jamin_za wrote:good luck running Server 2008 with DX10 ona platform with little to no 3D.

newblet... virtualbox supported windows 7/2008 before they left alpha.... virtualbox has provided native access to GPU acceleration for over a year now...

that taste in your mouth is the delicate hint of fail...

jamin_za wrote:Ultimately, this is a petty and meaningless argument

how dare you!... my arguments may be meaningless, but never petty...

ghondar · Post by **ghondar** » 22 Oct 2010, 13:31

OK. lets agree to disagree because this can go on forever.

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 22 Oct 2010, 14:36

rustypup wrote:
jamin_za wrote:virtualbox has provided native access to GPU acceleration for over a year now...

Yes, but it's an add-on and lots of users who install the graphics drivers for VBox still cant access the 3D acceleration or else have endless problems caused by it.

A friend of mine had a ticket open for 3 months with at virtualbox.org for a similar problem he was having, and they closed his ticket without fixing the problem. IIRC he had a Radeon HD3400 or something equally common and unremarkable.
At the time of my leaving the country he still had not got it right

japie_my_skapie · Post by **japie_my_skapie** » 22 Oct 2010, 22:05

What about Microsft Virtual PC 2007? I really enjoy the features of that product and from my little experience it crashes less than VirtualBox and less resource incentive than VMWare server edition

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 23 Oct 2010, 05:43

japie_my_skapie wrote:What about Microsft Virtual PC 2007?

Go read the first page, Nimrod

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