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Siemens wrote:If piracy helps something to grow and get a lot more famous is it still a bad thing?
If it werent for piracy a lot of brilliant anime wouldnt be known to most of the world and a lot of merchandise would not have been sold.
Some say the anime industry thrives on piracy which I totally believe.

that is correct and incorrect at the same time. Its not piracy if the thing is not licensed for viewing in repective countries. Most animes arent (for SA, although animax has changed that), so by downloading them you not in violation of the copyright.

I would still download them even if it was piracy because the english dubs can be so bad they literally destroy the anime.

Kalster, I just refuse to install illegitimate software. No key/licence, no install. I know licencing is a money making racket but its my reputation and credibility.

if you want to use that software to make money, you pay for it.

Prime wrote:Doo, I just refuse to install illegitimate software. No key/licence, no install. I know licencing is a money making racket but its my reputation and credibility.

if you want to use that software to make money, you pay for it.

Huh? WhaddidIdo?

page back. sorry, should have quoted you.

Please do, since I don't 'get' your comment at all.

I do NOT condone piracy in any form.

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Amended comment to prevent a religious war.

doo_much wrote:Please do, since I don't 'get' your comment at all.

I do NOT condone piracy in any form.

*edit

Amended comment to prevent a religious war.

:headscratch: I mixed up yours and kalster's posts. Sorry.

I'll save my comments on religious wars for another day.

Prime wrote:
:headscratch: I mixed up yours and kalster's posts. Sorry.

I'll save my comments on religious wars for another day.

Let that be a lesson to you. Us geriatrics still pack a punch you know!

RiaX wrote:

Siemens wrote:If piracy helps something to grow and get a lot more famous is it still a bad thing?
If it werent for piracy a lot of brilliant anime wouldnt be known to most of the world and a lot of merchandise would not have been sold.
Some say the anime industry thrives on piracy which I totally believe.

that is correct and incorrect at the same time. Its not piracy if the thing is not licensed for viewing in repective countries. Most animes arent (for SA, although animax has changed that), so by downloading them you not in violation of the copyright.

I would still download them even if it was piracy because the english dubs can be so bad they literally destroy the anime.

Where can I download good quality amine without infringing copyrights?

Anime is, to my understanding, a bit of a grey area (note to the rest of you: that's why I approved the post). I think that the folks over in the Anime and Manga section would be able to give you a better answer there.

U_571 wrote:Where can I download good quality amine without infringing copyrights?

Nowhere.

Rayne wrote:

U_571 wrote:Where can I download good quality amine without infringing copyrights?

Nowhere.

depends who the publisher of the anime is. I will be honest with you though no one cares about downloading episodes of anime. We dont have a station to broadcast it, and some animes cost up to R1000 per volume cause they all imported DVDs. I saw Ah my goddess in look and listen for R1200 +- per volume and there are about 20 volumes. So i dont care about it. The so called law is they are free fan subs, even if the publisher has a license in your country you can still download it legally. For example funimation has a license in SA, but they do not broadcast dragonball kai, so we can download it. The minute is fully licensed and airs in our country we are no longer allowed to keep that anime in our possession unless its a officially licensed product like the DVD box set. Same applies to DBZ

Horrible misinformation.

We exploit a loophole. A loophole in place as even the long arm of the law doesn't reach this far. Nothing more. Nothing less. Downloading fan-subbed anime is copyright infringement.

And no FUNi doesn't publish in SA.

Rayne wrote:Horrible misinformation.

We exploit a loophole. A loophole in place as even the long arm of the law doesn't reach this far. Nothing more. Nothing less. Downloading fan-subbed anime is copyright infringement.

And no FUNi doesn't publish in SA.

really D: oh my bad then.

Point is we do it simply because nobody prevents us from doing so. On the other side of the pond people go to jail for it, so lets not start telling people doing it is legal.

Rayne wrote:Point is we do it simply because nobody prevents us from doing so. On the other side of the pond people go to jail for it, so lets not start telling people doing it is legal.

so what exactly is this loophole we exploit

FUNi and other publishers with publishing rights in the US and Canada cannot pursue us here in the good ol' RS of A.

That. Is. All.

This has been discussed at length before. Just take what Rayne says (no offence intended); he is our resident specialist.

rofl none taken

When a Swedish citizen identified as Ryan heard about US movie studio Liberty Media's plan to get copyright infringers to confess and voluntarily pay up, he couldn't stop himself from sending them a satirical email promising that he will pay 'from the pot of gold I got at the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow', regardless of scathing criticism of the studio from his unicorn. However, despite his location, the jesting nature of the email, and his insistence that he has never downloaded anything for which the studio is suing, Liberty Media's lawyers have taken the 'confession' seriously, and have issued a subpoena to Google for personal information related to Ryan's Gmail account. In a phone call, the legal team affirmed their determination to 'hunt him down, all the way to Sweden if need be.'

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Oh dear...

lol

Wonder if you can sue someone in america from here. I am thinking of sueing activasion for all they have for matching fixing in MW2 by putting me on a "level" playing field with 2 second delay

How skelm is this - these guys make you almost want to download their crappy movies illegally just to see how far they are willing to go:

How Mass BitTorrent Lawsuits Turn Low-Budget Movies Into Big Bucks

On March 7, Camelot Distribution Group, an obscure film company in Los Angeles, unveiled its latest and potentially most profitable release: a federal lawsuit against BitTorrent users who allegedly downloaded the company’s 2010 B-movie revenge flick Nude Nuns With Big Guns between January and March of this year. The single lawsuit targets 5,865 downloaders, making it theoretically worth as much as $879,750,000 — more money than the U.S. box-office gross for Avatar.
(Rest of article here)

Bluez wrote:How skelm is this - these guys make you almost want to download their crappy movies illegally just to see how far they are willing to go:

How Mass BitTorrent Lawsuits Turn Low-Budget Movies Into Big Bucks

On March 7, Camelot Distribution Group, an obscure film company in Los Angeles, unveiled its latest and potentially most profitable release: a federal lawsuit against BitTorrent users who allegedly downloaded the company’s 2010 B-movie revenge flick Nude Nuns With Big Guns between January and March of this year. The single lawsuit targets 5,865 downloaders, making it theoretically worth as much as $879,750,000 — more money than the U.S. box-office gross for Avatar.
(Rest of article here)

You almost want to download a movie called Nude Nuns With Big Guns?

You should've just grabbed it before jamin moved Down Under.

If it was any other subject matter, I would've been sorely tempted just to freak these guys out Nuns with Guns isn't really my scene, nor any other movie that these low budget wannabees are making.

So....
My sister works as admin clerk for a very small business.
With very small I mean they have 1.5 mill turnover p/y.

They have an onsite file server, a normal PC running windows 2000 server.
Then each employee (8 of them) have their own laptop that have either win XP or Win7.
They connect to an offsite email hosting service with their own domain.

I was asked to evaluate their server and old laptops and make recommendations towards upgrades.
I have given them my recommendations, which included cost towards software licensing as they could not give me ONE legit product code for any of the laptops or the server software.

The only valid licenses I got was for their accounting program for each user and the anti-virus suite (although - the anti virus suite carries x5 licenses but is installed on all hardware which is x10).

They categorically told me that they have never needed to buy software because their "IT guy" can install this software without them having to pay for it, the "IT guy" told them that this is included in his fee - they should not worry about it.

I made them aware of how this could be a problem, and they admit that they know exactly what the law is, but, a penny turned is a penny saved, so they persist that their "IT guy" will install OS's etc for free.

So what do one do?
At this point I don't have any intention of reporting anything, just curious to get your comments about this.

Slashdot wrote:Independent retro games retailer Good Old Games has spoken out about digital rights management, saying that it can actually drive gamers to piracy, rather than acting as a deterrent. In an interview, a spokesperson for Good Old Games said that the effectiveness of DRM as a piracy-deterrent was 'None, or close to none.' 'What I will say isn't popular in the gaming industry,' says Kukawski, 'but in my opinion DRM drives people to pirate games rather than prevent them from doing that. Would you rather spend $50 on a game that requires installing malware on your system, or to stay online all the time and crashes every time the connection goes down, or would you rather download a cracked version without all that hassle?'

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This I totally agree with. The relevant industries have, in my opinion, tackled the piracy problem the wrong way; I believe that they should have given people adequate incentive to get the genuine version rather than treating all their customers as pirates. (Scare tactics and invasive DRM is NOT adequate incentive.)