The sport of Bodybuilding

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 25 Jan 2007, 12:06

Im not really sure. I havent tried Muscletech Hydroxycut series before.
I think the Hydroxycut Hardcore product is more for the guys who are trying to destroy the last couple ounces of fat out their body. But never researched it before.

Like I said Lipo6 didnt give me any side effects but it could do different things to different people.
It got 1st place at Bodybuilding.com supplement awards and I was really impressed with it. Took it during a period of work where I worked very long hours and had very little sleep every night and Lipo gave me enough energy or stamina to make it through the day without feeling tired.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/supplem ... inners.htm

cYcLIc · Post by **cYcLIc** » 25 Jan 2007, 20:52

USN creatine hasn't always been Creapure afaik.

I'm currently cutting using Lipo 6. I do about 70min a day of cycling 6 times a week so I can't really say how well it's working cos of the amount of exercise I do but I'm losing quite a bit. Trying to get to 5% bf from 9% so I can take photos. I'm at about 6.5% after 3 weeks, but my first week was with 3 hour work outs and 1h30min cardio. I also get dizziness from the Lipo, but it's not too bad. The hunger is whats killing me now. I just want to get the photos and get back to eating normally.

Also the 6 meals a day thing didn't work for me. I couldn't keep up so I just virtually starved myself with 8mg CLA a day. Not smart, but it worked. I wont do it again though.

After I reach 5%, I'm going to go for power. My bench is 128kg max right now with normal eating, but I'll be aiming for 150kg. My friend (22years old) benches 186kg and I'll be training with him. He's a monster. He took roids but he's off now afaik.

slane · Post by **slane** » 17 Apr 2007, 16:08

All these supplements in the shops are rubbish. They all waste your money. All you need to do is eat a lot of protein and carbs, and pump iron for an hour each day for 5 days per week. Get a good nights sleep and don't go out and drink excessively. That is the best and most natural way to get muscle. Anything else is just a waste of money.

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 17 Apr 2007, 16:50

slane wrote:All these supplements in the shops are rubbish. They all waste your money. All you need to do is eat a lot of protein and carbs, and pump iron for an hour each day for 5 days per week. Get a good nights sleep and don't go out and drink excessively. That is the best and most natural way to get muscle. Anything else is just a waste of money.

Supplements are not rubbish. They do exactly what they say they do... they SUPPLEMENT your diet... not replace.

What and how much of which food will give me 20g of glutamine a day ?

slane · Post by **slane** » 17 Apr 2007, 17:04

You do not need so much extra glutamine per day. I am 115kg, and muscular. I eat oats,potatoes, beans, vegetables and fish. You can get all the protein and glutamine you need from eating a well balanced diet. You do not need any powder or supplement at all. It makes it easy for your body, and you get fat. Your body needs to work to digest the food, and this work burns off fat.

Acidkidsa · Post by **Acidkidsa** » 17 Apr 2007, 18:05

Yip thats what I pretty much learnt. If you eat right you don't really need all those supplements.

I just eat right and take my animal pack. Whey protein does not hurt either!

Feed the machine !

ZeroS · Post by **ZeroS** » 17 Apr 2007, 19:49

So there actually was a thread like this. Good!

Ok, I'm not so much into bodybuilding, though I'm sure that's the only thing I'm doing. Let me state this simply.

My goal:
To lose some weight and have a well toned body with a decent set of muscles.

What am I doing:
I exercise daily for about 20 - 30 min.
Hop on each leg for nearly a minute each.
Jogging on the spot for 2 - 3 minutes.
Some stretching and shadow fighting. I use a punching bag too.
30 situps on a bench.
10 pulls on a 5kg weight for my chest.
30 sec floor bicycling for lower abs
Some more weights.

I also wear this plastic T (no idea where I got it from) so my abdominal area sweats like crazy.

I always change my routine looking for something that works. At one point I was doing 100 squats, 100 situps, 100 something else. 100 overhead kicks, etc and still nothing.

My diet: I don't drink (neither colddrink) nor smoke. Morning is usually oats. Afternoon is fruit or veg and night dish varies. That's it.

I know running is very effective but I don't have a place to run or jog. And when I used to run before I started getting a solid yet sharp pain in my upper right chest.

Help?

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 17 Apr 2007, 22:29

Well your first problem is that you dont eat nearly enough.

You need a balanced diet of about 20% fat, 50% carbs and 30% protein but this can vary according to whatever your goals are.
Also recommended to have about 1g of protein for 1kg of bodyweight although 2.2g protein per kg of bodyweight would be best.
USN used to have some nice diet plans on their website.

Dont know what the pain is from... probably best to consult a doctor on that.

Post by **Anthro** » 17 Apr 2007, 22:40

So if I weigh 65kg i need to get myself hooked up with HOW much protein ??
Hectic..never knew that, I just used whey protein when I went to gym.. which I am starting again as of next week by the way..

ZeroS · Post by **ZeroS** » 17 Apr 2007, 23:01

Fcon_Vpro wrote:Well your first problem is that you dont eat nearly enough.

You need a balanced diet of about 20% fat, 50% carbs and 30% protein but this can vary according to whatever your goals are.
Also recommended to have about 1g of protein for 1kg of bodyweight although 2.2g protein per kg of bodyweight would be best.
USN used to have some nice diet plans on their website.

Dont know what the pain is from... probably best to consult a doctor on that.

I take it this aids weight loss.

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 17 Apr 2007, 23:02

Well ideally it would be 65kg*2.2g=143g of protein a day.
Thats to build maximum muscle.

So if your 30% protein is 143g then your carbs should be about 240g a day and fats of about 95g.

Of course the fats should be healthy fats like avo, nuts, etc.

Like I said tho, this is for maximum muscle building.

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 17 Apr 2007, 23:10

ZeroS wrote:
Fcon_Vpro wrote:Well your first problem is that you dont eat nearly enough.

You need a balanced diet of about 20% fat, 50% carbs and 30% protein but this can vary according to whatever your goals are.
Also recommended to have about 1g of protein for 1kg of bodyweight although 2.2g protein per kg of bodyweight would be best.
USN used to have some nice diet plans on their website.

Dont know what the pain is from... probably best to consult a doctor on that.
I take it this aids weight loss.

Wouldnt really say weight loss, more fat loss. If you eat like this and train properley you will gain muscle and lose fat. You will probably pick up weight as you gain muscle.
Of course remember that you have to do the eating program everyday so your body adjusts your metabolism to burn fat cos it knows its getting more than enough food everyday. If you dont follow eating program each day then your metabolism will slow down because it thinks it needs to store energy cos it wont get enough food the next day.
Also depends on the quality of your carbs, protein and fats you take in.

Like I said you can vary the ratio so have 40% protein, 40% carbs and 20% fats. I prefer the 50-30-20 split because the extra carbs fuel workouts and recovery's.

ZeroS · Post by **ZeroS** » 17 Apr 2007, 23:25

Very interesting. I'll check for protein pills at the chem.

Carbs? What type and for fats?

Acidkidsa · Post by **Acidkidsa** » 18 Apr 2007, 08:15

Here is my gym program I have been using for the last 2 months , it pretty good: I train for at least 2 hours everyday. 1 hours abs / boxing , the other hour as below. I got 14% BF . Need to get to 10.

Day One: Chest
Incline Bar: 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Flat DB Flyes: 4 x 8-10
Decline DB Presses: 4 x 8-10
Incline Cable Flyes: 4 x 8-10
Standing Cable Cross: 3 x 8-10

Day Two: Back
Deadlift 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Lat Pulldown (wide): 4 x 8-10
Bent-Over Row Bar: 4 x 8-10
Lat Pushdowns: 4 x 8-10
Good Mornings: 3 x 8-10

Day Three: Rest

Day Four: Arms & Abs
Straight Bar Curls: 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Decline Skullcrushers: 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Hammer Curls: 4 x 8-10
Tricep Pushdowns: 4 x 8-10
Incline DB Curls: 3 x 8-10
Tricep Cable Kickbacks: 3 x 8-10
Decline Ab Crunches (with plates): 4 x failure
Ab Crunches (on cable): 4 x failure
Leg Lifts (with weights on feet): 4 x failure

Day Five: Shoulders
Standing Military Presses: 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Side DB Raise: 4 x 8-10
Front Bar Raise: 4 x 8-10
Bent-Over Rear Delts (cable): 4 x 8-10
Upright Bar Rows: 4 x 8-10
Shrugs (in front bar): 3 x 8-10
Shrugs (in back bar): 3 x 8-10

Day Six: Legs
Squats: 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Lunges: 4 x 8-10
Leg Curls: 4 x 8-10
Leg Extensions:4 x 8-10
Stiff-Leg Deadlifts: 3 x 8-10
Leg Press Calf Raises: 4 x failure high reps
Seated Calf Raises: 4 x failure high reps
Rev Calf Raise Sled: 4 x failure high reps

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 18 Apr 2007, 11:11

ZeroS wrote:Very interesting. I'll check for protein pills at the chem.

Carbs? What type and for fats?

Carbs: Oats, baked potato, etc
Fats: Avo, nuts, some seafoods, etc

Check this link for more healthy fat information: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Fat

Check this link for good carb information:
http://www.goodcarbs.org/

Post by **Anthro** » 18 Apr 2007, 11:30

I got 14% BF . Need to get to 10.

At one stage I had 12%... sadness is that I stopped gym// !
I just decided again going back !!

Acidkidsa · Post by **Acidkidsa** » 18 Apr 2007, 11:34

Anthropoid wrote:
I got 14% BF . Need to get to 10.
At one stage I had 12%... sadness is that I stopped gym// !
I just decided again going back !!

Hectic , how did you get down to 12%. I am battling going lower that 14 thanks to my love for beer and smokes.....

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 18 Apr 2007, 11:56

Ive never been below 20%. Although I choose that cos it helps me gain muscle quicker. Have 90kg muscle mass with total weight of 125kg.

Once I reach 100kg muscle mass I am going to reach for 10% body fat.

Must admit I would like to experience below 20% bodyfat.

Acidkidsa · Post by **Acidkidsa** » 18 Apr 2007, 12:16

Yeah I am weigh in at 84kg. With 14% body fat . I should bulk up more. But I will leave that until my next cycle..

I do know if you have below 8%bf (+ - ) you may look great , but it makes you weaker. I think you body needs those fat reserves.

I just want that bloody six pack to show.

ZeroS · Post by **ZeroS** » 18 Apr 2007, 22:30

Ok I'm quite new to this, how would you measure your body fat (bf, right?)

Fcon_Vpro · Post by **Fcon_Vpro** » 18 Apr 2007, 23:21

There are a few ways.

The best way is to use calipers and physically do measurements and calculations and also helps determine where your problem area's are.

2nd and 3rd way are similar.

You get a bodyfat scale that sends special pulses through your body and can determine your bodyfat. You also have to input your height and gender and a few other things to get an accurate reading.

Then you also get a device that you hold with both hands in front of you that also sends pulses through your body. You also need to input weight, height, gender, etc.

Ask your gym to help you out with them.

ZeroS · Post by **ZeroS** » 18 Apr 2007, 23:41

I don't gym but now I know where to get one done.

Lots of praises for all the info.

Wish you the best of health.

cYcLIc · Post by **cYcLIc** » 18 Apr 2007, 23:56

I don't know how people stick to set routines like Acidkidsa above. I could never do it, but I still got big.

Almost done with my tin of Animal Stak. It's insane, but I've gone a bit overboard. I don't think I'll buy another one for a while. I give it 9/10. -1 for all those pills. They are murder. Also about halfway through my optimum anabolic shake (trying for the 1st time). It's been real good to me. One of the best Ive tried and the strawberry actually tastes quite good.

Post by **Anthro** » 19 Apr 2007, 07:31

Hectic , how did you get down to 12%. I am battling going lower that 14 thanks to my love for beer and smokes.....

I pumped up quite hectic, and because of my natural build (I am short but I have some natural muscle)
I used
1. Whey protein
2. Creatine
3. Ripped!! 800mg cafeine

But this stuff makes me aggressive / violent
4. I swam at least 5-10 laps in the pool

Acidkidsa · Post by **Acidkidsa** » 19 Apr 2007, 09:16

Anthropoid wrote:
Hectic , how did you get down to 12%. I am battling going lower that 14 thanks to my love for beer and smokes.....
I pumped up quite hectic, and because of my natural build (I am short but I have some natural muscle)
I used
1. Whey protein
2. Creatine
3. Ripped!! 800mg cafeine But this stuff makes me aggressive / violent
4. I swam at least 5-10 laps in the pool

I think its the swimming got you so lean. I doubt I can make 10 laps !
Short guys are lucky when it comes to gyming!