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IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 07:55
by Slimshaedy
Computer chips with worm-like intelligence were unveiled today by researchers at IBM, a breakthrough, they say, on the road to creating computers that function like the human brain
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Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:00
by RuadRauFlessa
Wait WHAT? .... You want a CPU that suffers from from alzheimer, has no tolerance for pain, tells the system to attack itself because one or more parts is incorrectly considered foreign bodies, has mood swings.......

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:02
by Slimshaedy
Sorry I go through so much to bring this all to you while browsing the net on my phone, but I put in the Source link now so you can read the whole article:)

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:25
by doo_much
Slimshaedy wrote:
Computer chips with worm-like intelligence were unveiled today by researchers at IBM, a breakthrough, they say, on the road to creating computers that function like the human some of our public figures' brains.
Fixed quote.

But slightly more off-topic - a question.
Do we really want this? The principle of cognition brings with it a whole boat load of moral issues? How long before our tech starts having 'rights'?

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:37
by Slimshaedy
Technology is moving along so fast, we are going to have fully operational human like AI in a few years

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:38
by StarBound
Hehe. A PC that lies to you, goes on strike, gets bored if you don't play with it, gets annoyed if you play too much with it ect ect.
Do you want a pc to do what it wants to do or do you want a pc that does what you want it to do.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:41
by RuadRauFlessa
StarBound wrote:Hehe. A PC that lies to you, goes on strike, gets bored if you don't play with it, gets annoyed if you play too much with it ect ect.
Do you want a pc to do what it wants to do or do you want a pc that does what you want it to do.
I want a PC not a wife :P

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:44
by Ron2K
(mod note: removed Hman's troll post.)
doo_much wrote:But slightly more off-topic - a question.
Do we really want this? The principle of cognition brings with it a whole boat load of moral issues? How long before our tech starts having 'rights'?
Back in 1942, Isaac Asimov (science fiction author) devised the Three Laws of Robotics in one of his short stories:
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
So long as those principles are obeyed, we should theoretically be fine. That being said, with the way I see the world going, don't be at all surprised if this is ignored entirely.

Asimov's own "I, Robot" handles the moral issues around robotics quite well, in my opinion - as does Spielberg's film "A.I.".

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:54
by doo_much
You forgot the zeroth Law...

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:57
by KALSTER
Asimov's own "I, Robot" handles the moral issues around robotics quite well,
You talking about the film here?

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:01
by Slimshaedy
I can't remember how iRobot turned out in the end but the robots went rogue didn't they? I'm sure there will be loop holes that will allow things to get out of control. I'm guessing the military will start developing AI soldiers, robots designed to kill...

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:08
by RuadRauFlessa
in I, Robot the mother robot controlled all of the others. She deduced that the best way to protect (according to the first law) is to detain and thus remove all possible harm inflicted upon humans. See how whacked the rules can get. Those rules needs to be seriously amended for it to actually work.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:12
by Ron2K
KALSTER wrote:
Asimov's own "I, Robot" handles the moral issues around robotics quite well,
You talking about the film here?
Nope, was referring to Asimov's original collection of short stories. For some weird reason, I never saw the film.
Slimshaedy wrote:I can't remember how iRobot turned out in the end but the robots went rogue didn't they? I'm sure there will be loop holes that will allow things to get out of control. I'm guessing the military will start developing AI soldiers, robots designed to kill...
That's part of what I was alluding to earlier - millitaries across the world generally aren't concerned about morality issues and will use anything they can to their advantage, regardless of the cost. This is but one area where things could well get out of control if not handled carefully.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:44
by KALSTER
Nope, was referring to Asimov's original collection of short stories. For some weird reason, I never saw the film.
No that's cool. Was just about to get uppety. :) My avatar is from the cover of the I, Robot collection. The movie, although it had good action and stuff, totally screwed with Asimov's legacy (Susan Calvin was good looking and they screwed with the three laws, etc).

Question is though, will irrational fears cause the outlawing of robots or new gen AI in the future on earth as in the Asimov stories? How will religious communities react to a human-looking robot that they can converse with working in a department store or something?

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:56
by Slimshaedy
It'll take time to adapt, we will soon get used to seeing AI all over the place. And yes I think a lot of of people will fear what they don't understand.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 10:45
by Tribble
Ron2K wrote:
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
So long as those principles are obeyed, we should theoretically be fine. That being said, with the way I see the world going, don't be at all surprised if this is ignored entirely.

Asimov's own "I, Robot" handles the moral issues around robotics quite well, in my opinion - as does Spielberg's film "A.I.".
ROBOCOP :D
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Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 11:21
by StarBound
I'm still waiting on the Robocop vs Terminator movie. The sega game was bloody.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 13:14
by D3PART3D
I don't get why AI has to mimic human intelligence. What's the point of having a robot at a department store start up conversations? It sounds incredibly inefficient to me. A learning AI doesn't have to be anything like a person to be useful.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 13:35
by StarBound
Maybe they figure that africa needs some form of non white compitition so they cant play the racist card when they loose their job to inefficiency?

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 11:32
by Sojourn
D3PART3D wrote:I don't get why AI has to mimic human intelligence. What's the point of having a robot at a department store start up conversations? It sounds incredibly inefficient to me. A learning AI doesn't have to be anything like a person to be useful.
The Cylons are coming !!
Anyone watched Battlestar Gallactica?
Very cute angle on future AI... the "toasters" are human for all practical purposes.

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 15:35
by D3PART3D
StarBound wrote:Maybe they figure that africa needs some form of non white compitition so they cant play the racist card when they loose their job to inefficiency?
Nah, they'll then start blaming the evil Japanese for conspiring to replace them all with machines in order to draw a revenue.
Sojourn wrote:The Cylons are coming !!
Anyone watched Battlestar Gallactica?
Very cute angle on future AI... the "toasters" are human for all practical purposes.
I loved BSG. The cylons did most of the work becoming more human though, it was their own motivation that drove the process. Unless we're going to mass-manufacture hot women like in the show, I still don't see the point. :P

Re: IBM unveils brain-like technology

Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 17:05
by J_Bay
If they look like the good terminator in Sarah Connor Chronicles then I'm all for it!!
You think we could over clock these? Air or water cooling???

Seriously, this was posted on another Tech site, and man you should have seen some of the responses on that thread, from the rediculous to the sublime, lol!!