Moon Landings: Real or Hoax?

[Mow]

Spam thread. mods ...

[UrBaN]

credible info... hahaha.

We all know everything on Wikipedia and in People Magazine is fact.

[QBM]

Why?
It's a Wildlife refuge, FFS.
That means you leave it alone unless absolutely necessary.
Even minimally invasive drilling techniques will mess with the natural habitat. Plus pipelines, vehicles etc... Bye-bye pristine nature.

because then you might understand how it became a "refuge", what effect drilling would actually have, the amount of area that would actually be drilled, and that provisions were set for future drilling.

A primer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Ref ... ontroversy

And it's also one that is going to affect you no matter who takes power.
Whether it's for welfare, or to support a longer stay in Iraq (and possibly a trip to Iran), your taxes will be going up.

They haven't gone up in 8 years. In fact they have went down. They will not go up because of the war. While all you probably here about on the news is war spending the budget looks like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... tegory.png

Defense makes up the largest discretionary spending (always has) but it pails to what is spent on social programs. It won't be defense that makes ny taxes go up. It will be the continually climbing rates of spending on social programs.
SS, medicare, and welfare
$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$548.8 billion (+9.0%) - Defense[2]
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$294.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$23.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government

SS being the biggest one because it will no longer be solvent in a few years. Payments will exceed receipts in 2017 or before. Dems will choose to fund it from the general fund or raise SS tax. Either way a tax increase to save a failing program that demographics no longer supports.

Your military is desperately short on troops. They have have almost exhausted their supply of national guardsmen and reservists.

This is mostly an exaggeration stemming from the use of the reserve and extended tours of duty and retention. Fact is this is common in war. Problem is we haven't had one in awhile. My contract for example was 6 years active and 4 inactive. I was in for 6 years but if the government felt thay needed me they could have held me for four additional years or called me back within that time period. Military folks are aware of this. Does it suck? Kind of but you understand this when you sign up. Are there people bitching about it? Absolutely..........

They are now recruiting hardened criminals and gang members into their armed forces.

This is BS. Are the "gang members" in the military? Yes. There was when I was in and there was long before that. The difference is you get to see that on the news now.

At least with Obama there is less of a chance of you being drafted into military service.

There is no chance of a draft now. If anything were to happen to cause a need for the draft it would not matter who is in office. That said if a draft was needed I wouldn't be trying to get out of it (although I think I'm to old now). You'll need to talk to someone else for that arguement to have any weight..........

[GreyWolf]

vs



very similar no?

crazy now officially has a face...

[hamin_aus]

$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$548.8 billion (+9.0%) - Defense[2]
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$294.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$23.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government

Quoting off Wiki again...
That [2] means that the figure above is a point of contention and may be incorrect or requires validation. I'm not sure how believable it is, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

Interest on debt will go up as the US continues to spend money it does not have to finance the war. Here in SA we are actually paying off our debt, not struggling to just keep ahead of the interest

How is it that the US spend 14% of it's budget on Medicare & Medicaid, but I hear so many horror stories about your health system?

[QBM]

Quoting off Wiki again...
That [2] means that the figure above is a point of contention and may be incorrect or requires validation. I'm not sure how believable it is, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

You are welcome to check:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/index.html

Interest on debt will go up as the US continues to spend money it does not have to finance the war.

The cost of the war in the context of our national debt and intrest is negligable.

How is it that the US spend 14% of it's budget on Medicare & Medicaid, but I hear so many horror stories about your health system?

Not sure what you have heard but when I go to the doctor I get the best care available. I also pay $200 a check for insurance. That money spent on medicare and medicaid is spent on "low income" and the elderly.
Is insurance expensive? Absolutely although there are high deductible plans available which are far more affordable.

What causes prices to be so high? Contrary to popular belief everyone who walks into the emergency room gets treated. Who pays for it? People who actually pay there bills, have insurance, and the government. This however is not enough to offset all the care "given" away. If you go to the local emergency room here you will find that 95% of the people there really shouldn't be there but they get seen. In addition to this we are spending tons of money to prolong the life of the elderly. The number of "elderly" is about to increase substantially with the retirement of the baby boomers adding to the cost. These baby boomers will also live substantially longer than previous generations. Again adding to the cost.

The current systems were not designed for this.

Here is a story about one of the local hospitals here that may shed some light:
http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=24144

I should also mention that the majority of "uninsured" are not poor.

[Hex_Rated]

America:

0.000001% NASA
99.9% McDonalds

**** yeah!

Unfortunately the people that work at McDonalds somehow think they're as clever as the few NAZI scientists that helped them get to the moon.

But please come visit. I need to cure my AIDS and you seem like someone who would be able to help me out.

Contrary to popular belief in SA the "cure" doesn't work. You're right though I do have a daughter. She however is 9 so I think she is a bit too old in your country.

Mcdonalds? No. You really should research job sector percentages in the US but remaining in a blissful state of ignorance seems to be status quo around here..........They are however accepting applications over here. Maybe that could help lower your 26% unemployment rate. Also you could send the money back home. Starting out as the "fry guy" you would be making double the median income for a SA white male.

Listening to you folks making smartass comments about the US and then looking at the stats for SA just makes me LOL.

The cure does work. Cured me three times already.

I'd move to the US, but the people are such arrogant idiots that I'd rather stay here and deal with my AIDS. Some of my US customers are quite nice people though, but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm. I write embedded firmware for lots of systems that are in use in the US. Some very mission critical stuff as well. Maybe they feel humbled that they have to outsource their most complex work out to a third world country in Africa. And it's not that we do it for cheap either, I can assure you that.

Keep that in mind next time you or your family are in hospital. Especially on a life support system.

[QBM]

I'd move to the US, but the people are such arrogant idiots that I'd rather stay here and deal with my AIDS. Some of my US customers are quite nice people though, but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm. I write embedded firmware for lots of systems that are in use in the US. Some very mission critical stuff as well. Maybe they feel humbled that they have to outsource their most complex work out to a third world country in Africa. And it's not that we do it for cheap either, I can assure you that.

Keep that in mind next time you or your family are in hospital. Especially on a life support system.

LOL.....your logic is great. FYI what you see as expensive is not for such firms you are servicing compared to what they would pay here. I can assure you there is nothing you provide that is not available here with the same or better level of quality just at an increased cost.....except maybe diamonds.

[Hex_Rated]

You have no idea. What, you think because your country has a few people that know what they're doing that it automatically makes YOU better than everyone else? Because it doesn't. It makes THEM better. And they probably laugh all the way to the bank just like I do. In my field of expertise I'd have to take a pay cut at first to get a job in your country. Then maybe after a year or two I'd be back to where I am now.

But I wouldn't want to move there, I have the opportunity but no thanks. I know you're not typically representative of the people of your country, you admittedly do have more than half a brain and I know you just enjoy trolling.

And what do I consider expensive? 6 figures USD for a month's work was quite nice. I didn't see that type of money but that's what we charged just for my time. Certified at the contractor's expense so we aren't liable for any bugs. Passed first time.

And I don't have a PhD or anything, maybe some other time. America f*ck yeah!

[doo_much]

Perhaps a topic change would prevent annoying posts from people like me who still want to talk about the moon.

Seems you got your way?

Yes - a lot of what I have heard about McCAin is hearsay, most of it from his opponents, but I am inclined to think some of it is true.

The man just does not strike me as a calpable leader. He is old and seems crotchety. He is likely to piss of the whole of East Asia sooner or later...
Plus when his mind evetually goes, who is going to be in charge? Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin just rubs me the wrong way. She is a gifted orator, and a MILF, and I agree with a few of the things she supports, but...

MILF = She's attractive BUT scary connotations there?

So you support some of here policies but not all? Get in line.
If you EVER agree with ANYONE else on all the issues - and there are lots in politics - you are in need of a brain transplant. Which you've never appeared to be?

I agree McCain is a [insert favorite derogatory description here], but don't base that on Palin being his running mate. Maybe if he croaks before his term is over America would be better off?

[Tribble]

Perhaps a topic change would prevent annoying posts from people like me who still want to talk about the moon.

Seems you got your way?

Yes - it seems I did.

A milf? Ah so those are the current standards of milfdom these days

[doo_much]

MILF has become a much-used descriptor on the Internet for pornography sites featuring MILFs: (Married) women (with grown children) mostly between the ages of 35 and 55.

[naughty]

Every time I visit this forum people seem to be less in touch with reality ....and dare I say collectively dumber.

yes maybe ....but the fact that you keep coming back speaks volumes about your own intellect or should i rather say lack of it

[QBM]

Every time I visit this forum people seem to be less in touch with reality ....and dare I say collectively dumber.

yes maybe ....but the fact that you keep coming back speaks volumes about your own intellect or should i rather say lack of it

lol

[Hex_Rated]

He's banned from everywhere else, that's why he comes back. We as S Africans are too dumb to permaban his bottom. We should just give him AIDS instead.

[hamin_aus]

Sarah Palin is slightly more attractive, but infinity less charming than Tina Fey.

Man, I have a thing for Tina Fey!

[doo_much]

Sarah Palin is slightly more attractive, but infinity less charming than Tina Fey.

Man, I have a thing for Tina Fey!

we be hating 'cause jamin be baiting?

[Prime]

Sarah Palin is slightly more attractive, but infinity less charming than Tina Fey.

Man, I have a thing for Tina Fey!

we be hating 'cause jamin be baiting?

Are you sure you don't want her daughter instead? She seems more available

[hamin_aus]

QBM, I'm not convinced this is 100% accurate, but what are your thoughts.
I take it you are in the top 2 of those income categories...

[Stuart]

Valid necro time ...

Time for some debate/conspiracy goodness

Do you guys believe that the US did, in fact, land on the mood in 1969?

And sceptics out there? Anyone 100% that they did? Anyone 100% sure they didn't?

Aaaaaaaaand......





GO!

Original Post
Conspiracy Theorist Convinces Neil Armstrong Moon Landing Was Faked

LEBANON, OHIO—Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government.

According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, OmissionControl.org.

"It only took a few hastily written paragraphs published by this passionate denier of mankind's so-called 'greatest technological achievement' for me to realize I had been living a lie, " said a visibly emotional Armstrong, addressing reporters at his home. "It has become painfully clear to me that on July 20, 1969, the Lunar Module under the control of my crew did not in fact travel 250,000 miles over eight days, touch down on the moon, and perform various experiments, ushering in a new era for humanity. Instead, the entire thing was filmed on a soundstage, most likely in New Mexico."

"This is the only logical interpretation of the numerous inconsistencies in the grainy, 40-year-old footage," Armstrong added.

Although Armstrong said he "could have sworn" he felt the effects of zero gravity while soaring out of the Earth's atmosphere and through space, he now believed his memory must be flawed. He also admitted feeling "ashamed" that he had failed to notice the rippling of the American flag he and Buzz Aldrin planted on the surface, blaming his lack of awareness on the bulkiness of the spacesuit and his excitement about traveling to the "moon."

"That rippling is not possible in the vacuum of space," Armstrong said. "It must have been the wind from an air-conditioning duct that I didn't recognize because you can't hear a damn thing inside those helmets."

"This is all just common sense, people," he added. "It's the moon. You can't land on the moon."

In a symbolic display of his newfound skepticism, Armstrong then grabbed a collection of moon rocks he had kept as souvenirs and dramatically dumped them into a trash can.

One of the main arguments posited on Coleman's website—that America could not, in 1969, have realistically possessed the technological capabilities needed to put a man on the moon—was reportedly one of the first things to cause the legendary astronaut a pang of doubt. Despite having spent thousands of hours training for the historic mission under the guidance of the world's top scientists, technicians, and pilots, Armstrong said he knew the conspiracy theories were true after learning that website author Coleman was "quite the engineering buff."

"Yes, at the time I thought those thousands of NASA employees were working round the clock for the same incredible goal, but if anyone would know what was really going on, it would be Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said of the 31-year-old part-time librarian's assistant. "He knows a lot more about faked moon landings than I ever could. He's been researching the subject on the Internet for years."

"Literally years," he added.

Addressing another inconsistency brought to light by OmissionControl, Armstrong explained he was probably so focused on piloting the lunar module that he failed to notice that one of the moon rocks visible in footage of the landing appears to have the letter 'C' stamped on it. An emotional Armstrong said that the only possible explanation for this detail was that the rock actually came from NASA's prop department.

"They forgot to turn it over," Armstrong said, removing his eyeglasses to wipe away tears. "Those lying bastards at NASA went through all the trouble to fake the moon landing, but they forgot to turn over one little prop rock. And now the whole damn thing's blowing up in their faces."

Although Armstrong initially questioned why the U.S. would attempt such an elaborate cover-up, he cited one overarching explanation provided by Coleman: that it was a ploy to defeat the Soviet Union and fulfill the Illuminati's plan to unify the world's banks and control the dissemination of information.

"Just ask Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said. "He'll answer any questions you have."

To conclude the press conference, Armstrong showed reporters footage of his first steps on the moon to demonstrate that the most daming evidence was "right under our noses." Speeding up the tape and replaying the graceful moonwalk several times in a row, Armstrong explained that the iconic images of humanity's triumphant dance with the cosmos was actually just a film of him walking backwards, slowed down, and played in reverse.

"What other explanation could there be?" Armstrong asked. "It's all right here. Everything is all right here if you'd just open your damn eyes and see!"

Added Armstrong, "I suppose it really was one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind."

For those who start getting too excited, please notice the source.

[Monty]

Indian Probe Takes Clear Photo of Apollo 15, Hopefully Smashing Conspiracy Theories Forever

NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took photos of the Apollo landings last July. They were supposed to end all conspiracy theories, but there are still idiots who said they were false. Thankfully, the Indians took their own photo. Spot the tracks!

This image was one of the last photographs sent by Chandrayaan-1, the moon probe that stopped communicating with Earth last Saturday. It clearly shows the Apollo 15 rover tracks on the Moon surface.

So there you go: A third party confirms the landings. Happy now, you conspiracy retards? No? I don't care. Just stop writing stupid emails justifying your idiotic arguments trying to prove that Armstrong didn't walk on the moon (because he did, and he has the photo and the t-shirt to prove it).

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Just for those who actually think it was faked

[rustypup]

<in before the SHOPPED!..>

i, too, could draw a red scrawl around an indistinct smudge and claim indisputable proof that yetis have been having illegal intercourse with the moon.... with the UN's consent!

<out before the SMACK..>

[Stuart]

<in before the SHOPPED!..>

i, too, could draw a red scrawl around an indistinct smudge and claim indisputable proof that yetis have been having illegal intercourse with the moon.... with the UN's consent!

<out before the SMACK..>

Don't be daft ... everyone knows that Yetis only procreate where it snows

[rustypup]

that's what the UN wants you to think... sheeple...

[Stuart]

Let's ask Ralph Coleman