Re: Creation & Evolution OFFICIAL DEBATE
Posted: 15 Oct 2013, 14:44
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I admit, there are certain things where my knowledge is.. dated. Correct me where I'm wrongKALSTER wrote:There is one or two inaccuracies he has to fix
Difference between creationists and the scientifically minded in a nutshell.Ark wrote:I admit, there are certain things where my knowledge is.. dated. Correct me where I'm wrongKALSTER wrote:There is one or two inaccuracies he has to fix
The bolded part is quite a leap to make. Not sure where that came from. Has it to do with the "God particle" moniker? While finding the evidence for the Higgs field is a major milestone for sure, it would hardly put a dent in any creationist claims of divine conception that I can think of. How would it be anything more than just another thing that God made? Creationists tend to point at the gaps and inject God in there, but there will never be a shortage of gaps.There has to be a creator:
For those who haven't been paying attention to what scientists have been doing in the past decade, particle physicists stationed at CERN's LHC have made a few rather remarkable discoveries. They have *almost* confirmed the existence of a particle that gives matter mass. So far, what they found looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and they are now doing very thorough research and doing very expensive upgrades to the LHC to confirm that it is in fact a duck. This will prove that a universe can come into existence without a god. But I sense this may not be satisfying to you. I'm guessing you're still hanging to the designed belief. Let's say the universe has been designed. I now have a question for you. If your argument remains "The universe looks designed, therefore bible", then how did you get from "The universe looks designed" to "therefore bible"? If it looks like its been designed, then how did you get to bible being your answer? Why did you not go with the Quran?
irreducible complexity, argument from designArk wrote:1) The harmony and balance in nature is so perfect, it must have been created by a super intelligent designer.
confirmation bias.Ark wrote:2) Prayer really does work. Jesus helped me find my car keys. He also cured my horrible throat infection.
appeal to 'authority'Ark wrote:3) The bible is perfectly in line with modern science and every word printed in the bible is fact.
false dilemmaArk wrote:4) Without the bible, there would be no morality.
appeal to fearArk wrote:5) Hell is real and if you don't accept Jesus as you personal lord and saviour, then you will spend the rest of eternity there.
ditto...Ark wrote:6) Heaven is real and if you accept Jesus as your personal lord and saviour, then you will enter this paradise.
appeal to authority, appeal to the masses.Ark wrote:7) The bible is the true word of God and Christianity is the one true religion.
appeal to the masses, begging the question, appeal to fearArk wrote: God has given you free will to accept him or reject him.
If being perfectly moral means encouraging genocide, slavery and misogyny...I'd rather take my chances with Cthulhu than Yahweh. At least one knows exactly where one stands with the elder gods.4) Without the bible, there would be no morality.
We can only hope...StarPhoenix wrote: Ark is trolling, right?
precisely..KALSTER wrote:He was actually debunking that tripe...
Yep. Was talking to StarDoo though.rustypup wrote:precisely..KALSTER wrote:He was actually debunking that tripe...
i was merely pointing out the futility of doing so.
This news could have gone anywhere, thread for the not so easily offended or the Science thread or this one. I chose this one .A New Physics Theory of Life
By: Natalie Wolchover
January 22, 2014
Whyy does life exist?
Popular hypotheses credit a primordial soup, a bolt of lightning and a colossal stroke of luck. But if a provocative new theory is correct, luck may have little to do with it. Instead, according to the physicist proposing the idea, the origin and subsequent evolution of life follow from the fundamental laws of nature and “should be as unsurprising as rocks rolling downhill.”
From the standpoint of physics, there is one essential difference between living things and inanimate clumps of carbon atoms: The former tend to be much better at capturing energy from their environment and dissipating that energy as heat. Jeremy England, a 31-year-old assistant professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has derived a mathematical formula that he believes explains this capacity. The formula, based on established physics, indicates that when a group of atoms is driven by an external source of energy (like the sun or chemical fuel) and surrounded by a heat bath (like the ocean or atmosphere), it will often gradually restructure itself in order to dissipate increasingly more energy. This could mean that under certain conditions, matter inexorably acquires the key physical attribute associated with life.
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