honestreporting wrote:Qana In Context
HonestReporting calls on the media to examine the Qana tragedy in context.
Following an Israeli Air Force strike against a building in the village of Qana, Israel is once again subject to some severe criticism in the international media. TV viewers and newspaper readers have been confronted with highly emotive and disturbing images of bodies being pulled from the rubble.
Undoubtedly, the loss of life is extremely tragic and the vast majority of Israelis deeply regrets this incident. However, while some media wishes to portray Israel as a malevolent force that deliberately murders civilians, some wider context needs to be added to the coverage of the Qana story:
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While Israeli civilians in northern towns and cities have between 15 seconds and one minute to find cover after an air raid siren is sounded, Lebanese civilians have been forewarned of IDF operations, in some cases, by days. The residents of Qana were warned 48 hours in advance of potential IAF air strikes.
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What? Are the Arabs and Jews going to strike us with their noble MORALS????invader_zim wrote:Did you know the end of the world is supposed to start in the Middle East?? 8O
BWHAHAHAHAHAAHA.....
pffft, I hope their Weapons of Mass \Idi0t/ doesn't hit us
(I stipulate the end of the world will come when a large country like china or india goes to war...)
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naaa! who cares about japan/Skjamin_za wrote:Now that the Indians have nukes they have been pretty quiet.Ike wrote:I stipulate the end of the world will come when a large country like china or india goes to war...
North Korean dictator Kim Jong is going to usher in armageddon by blowing up South Korea and/or Japan.
China may join in later.
If china's economy goes the way it is now, it may want to invade russia(for tha oil).
India may want to invade iran for oil.
Both have pop over 1 bil, so they can wage war for years, and this time europe can do nothing as it population is a buch of old[ish] farts...
@ wik1d: O, so thats why what? 10 milion went missing in the 1940's
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Do you do any research before posting this crapIke wrote:If china's economy goes the way it is now, it may want to invade russia(for tha oil).
China can afford to buy fuel. They wont be invading anybody. Least of all Russia, whom they have a faily stable diplomatic relationship with.BBC News wrote: According to revised official figures from China's National Bureau of Statistics, Chinese GDP reached almost 16 trillion yuan ($2 trillion; £1.1 trillion) in 2004, making it the world's sixth largest economy, overtaking Italy.
WTFIke wrote:India may want to invade iran for oil.
Since you dont know this - India is close behind China with one of the fastest growing economies of all "Developing" countries.
Neither of these two countries need to invade anybody for anything, they can both afford to buy all the oil they need.
Why dont you read up North Lorea and it's economic spending. And it's history with S.Korea and Japan.
Hezbollywood? Evidence mounts that Qana collapse and deaths were staged
By Reuven Koret July 31, 2006
It was to be a perfect Hollywood ending for Hezbollah. Just as the Israeli bombing of the village of Qana in 1996 brought a premature end to Israel's Operation "Grapes of Wrath," so too a sequel of Qana II could change, once and for all, the direction of Israel's current summer blockbuster, "Change of Direction." Ten years ago, world condemnation of an errant Israeli shell that hit a civilian compound forced then-PM Shimon Peres to curtail the offensive against terror bases.
The setting was also perfect: Kana was again being used as a primary site for launching rockets against Israeli cities. The IDF reported that more than 150 rockets had been launched from Qana and its vicinity at Israeli civilians, wreaking destruction in Kiryat Shmona, Maalot, Nahariya and Haifa. It was only a matter of time before the Israeli Air Force would come for a visit, using pinpoint targeting of the sites used to launch rockets, Hezbollah logistical centers and weapon storage facilities.
On the morning of July 30, according to the IDF, the air force came in three waves. In the first, between midnight and one in the morning, there was a strike at or near the building that eventually collapsed.
Brent Sadler of CNN reports that the Israeli ordnance did not even hit the building but landed "20 or 30 meters" from the structure.
There was a second strike at other targets far from the collapse building several hours later, and a third strike at around 7:30 in the morning. There too the nearest hit was some 460 meters away, according to the IDF. But first reports of a building collapse came only around 8 am.
Thus there was an unexplained 7 to 8 hour gap between the time of the helicopter strike and the building collapse. Brigadier General Amir Eshel, Head of the Air Force Headquarters, in a press briefing, told journalists that "the attack on the structure in the Qana village took place between midnight and one in the morning. The gap between the timing of the collapse of the building and the time of the strike on it is unclear."
Gen. Eshel appeared genuinely mystified by the gap in time. He "I'm saying this very carefully, because at this time I don't have a clue as to what the explanation could be for this gap," he added.
The army's only explanation was that somehow there was unexploded Hezbollah ordnance in the building that only detonated much later.
"It could be that inside the building, things that could eventually cause an explosion were being housed, things that we could not blow up in the attack, and maybe remained there, Brigadier General Eshel said.
Eshel reported that as recently as two days ago, military intelligence reported the building area had been used by the terrorists for storage or firing of weapons. It was a bad place to cram dozens of women and children.
There are other mysteries. The roof of the building was intact. Journalist Ben Wedeman of CNN noted that there was a larger crater next to the building, but observed that the building appeared not to have collapsed as a result of the Israeli strike.
Why would the civilians who had supposedly taken shelter in the basement of the building not leave after the post-midnight attack? They just went back to sleep and had the bad luck to wait for the building to collapse in the morning?
National Public Radio's correspondent reported that residents of that building had left and the victims were non-residents who chose to shelter in the building that night. They were "too poor" to leave the down, one resident told CNN's Wedeman. Who were these people?
What we do know is that sometime after dawn a call went hour to journalists and rescue workers to come to the scene. And come they did, in droves.
While Hezbollah and its apologists have been claiming that civilians could not freely flee the scene due to Israeli destruction of bridges and roads, the journalists and rescue teams from nearby Tyre had no problem getting there.
Lebanese rescue teams did not start evacuating the building until the morning and only after the camera crews came. The absence of a real rescue effort was explained by saying that equipment was lacking. There were no scenes of live or injured people being extracted.
There was little blood, CNN's Wedeman noted: all the victims, he concluded, appeared to have died while as they were sleeping -- sleeping, apparently, through thunderous Israeli air attacks. Rescue workers equipped with cameras were removing the bodies from the same opening in the collapsed structure. Journalists were not allowed near the collapsed building.
Rescue workers filmed as they went carried the victims on the stretchers, occasionally flipping up the blankets so that cameras could show the faces and bodies of the dead.
But Israelis steeled to scenes of carnage from Palestinian suicide bombings and Hezbollah rocket attack could not help but notice that these victims did not look like our victims. Their faces were ashen gray. While medical examination clearly is called for to arrive at a definitive dating and cause of their deaths, they do not appear to have died hours before. The bodies looked like they had been dead for days.
Viewers can judge for themselves. But the accumulating evidence suggests another explanation for what happened at Kana. The scenario would be a setup in which the time between the initial Israeli bombing near the building and morning reports of its collapse would have been used to "plant" bodies killed in previous fighting -- reports in previous days indicated that nearby Tyre was used as a temporary morgue -- place them in the basement, and then engineer a "controlled demolition" to fake another Israeli attack.
The well-documented use by Palestinians of this kind of faked footage -- from the alleged shooting of Mohammed Dura in Gaza, scenes from Jenin of "dead" victims falling off gurneys and then climbing back on -- have merited the creation of a new film genre called "Palliwood."
There is increasing evidence that the Kana sequel is another episode in this genre, a variety which might be called Hezbollywood. The Hezbollah have evidently learned their craft well.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/D ... y/8997.htm
By Reuven Koret July 31, 2006
It was to be a perfect Hollywood ending for Hezbollah. Just as the Israeli bombing of the village of Qana in 1996 brought a premature end to Israel's Operation "Grapes of Wrath," so too a sequel of Qana II could change, once and for all, the direction of Israel's current summer blockbuster, "Change of Direction." Ten years ago, world condemnation of an errant Israeli shell that hit a civilian compound forced then-PM Shimon Peres to curtail the offensive against terror bases.
The setting was also perfect: Kana was again being used as a primary site for launching rockets against Israeli cities. The IDF reported that more than 150 rockets had been launched from Qana and its vicinity at Israeli civilians, wreaking destruction in Kiryat Shmona, Maalot, Nahariya and Haifa. It was only a matter of time before the Israeli Air Force would come for a visit, using pinpoint targeting of the sites used to launch rockets, Hezbollah logistical centers and weapon storage facilities.
On the morning of July 30, according to the IDF, the air force came in three waves. In the first, between midnight and one in the morning, there was a strike at or near the building that eventually collapsed.
Brent Sadler of CNN reports that the Israeli ordnance did not even hit the building but landed "20 or 30 meters" from the structure.
There was a second strike at other targets far from the collapse building several hours later, and a third strike at around 7:30 in the morning. There too the nearest hit was some 460 meters away, according to the IDF. But first reports of a building collapse came only around 8 am.
Thus there was an unexplained 7 to 8 hour gap between the time of the helicopter strike and the building collapse. Brigadier General Amir Eshel, Head of the Air Force Headquarters, in a press briefing, told journalists that "the attack on the structure in the Qana village took place between midnight and one in the morning. The gap between the timing of the collapse of the building and the time of the strike on it is unclear."
Gen. Eshel appeared genuinely mystified by the gap in time. He "I'm saying this very carefully, because at this time I don't have a clue as to what the explanation could be for this gap," he added.
The army's only explanation was that somehow there was unexploded Hezbollah ordnance in the building that only detonated much later.
"It could be that inside the building, things that could eventually cause an explosion were being housed, things that we could not blow up in the attack, and maybe remained there, Brigadier General Eshel said.
Eshel reported that as recently as two days ago, military intelligence reported the building area had been used by the terrorists for storage or firing of weapons. It was a bad place to cram dozens of women and children.
There are other mysteries. The roof of the building was intact. Journalist Ben Wedeman of CNN noted that there was a larger crater next to the building, but observed that the building appeared not to have collapsed as a result of the Israeli strike.
Why would the civilians who had supposedly taken shelter in the basement of the building not leave after the post-midnight attack? They just went back to sleep and had the bad luck to wait for the building to collapse in the morning?
National Public Radio's correspondent reported that residents of that building had left and the victims were non-residents who chose to shelter in the building that night. They were "too poor" to leave the down, one resident told CNN's Wedeman. Who were these people?
What we do know is that sometime after dawn a call went hour to journalists and rescue workers to come to the scene. And come they did, in droves.
While Hezbollah and its apologists have been claiming that civilians could not freely flee the scene due to Israeli destruction of bridges and roads, the journalists and rescue teams from nearby Tyre had no problem getting there.
Lebanese rescue teams did not start evacuating the building until the morning and only after the camera crews came. The absence of a real rescue effort was explained by saying that equipment was lacking. There were no scenes of live or injured people being extracted.
There was little blood, CNN's Wedeman noted: all the victims, he concluded, appeared to have died while as they were sleeping -- sleeping, apparently, through thunderous Israeli air attacks. Rescue workers equipped with cameras were removing the bodies from the same opening in the collapsed structure. Journalists were not allowed near the collapsed building.
Rescue workers filmed as they went carried the victims on the stretchers, occasionally flipping up the blankets so that cameras could show the faces and bodies of the dead.
But Israelis steeled to scenes of carnage from Palestinian suicide bombings and Hezbollah rocket attack could not help but notice that these victims did not look like our victims. Their faces were ashen gray. While medical examination clearly is called for to arrive at a definitive dating and cause of their deaths, they do not appear to have died hours before. The bodies looked like they had been dead for days.
Viewers can judge for themselves. But the accumulating evidence suggests another explanation for what happened at Kana. The scenario would be a setup in which the time between the initial Israeli bombing near the building and morning reports of its collapse would have been used to "plant" bodies killed in previous fighting -- reports in previous days indicated that nearby Tyre was used as a temporary morgue -- place them in the basement, and then engineer a "controlled demolition" to fake another Israeli attack.
The well-documented use by Palestinians of this kind of faked footage -- from the alleged shooting of Mohammed Dura in Gaza, scenes from Jenin of "dead" victims falling off gurneys and then climbing back on -- have merited the creation of a new film genre called "Palliwood."
There is increasing evidence that the Kana sequel is another episode in this genre, a variety which might be called Hezbollywood. The Hezbollah have evidently learned their craft well.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/D ... y/8997.htm
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"The irony is, what they really need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this *****, and it's over," George W Bush
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The U.S.A can buy all the oil it wants... And yet they attacked Iraq for it.jamin_za wrote:Do you do any research before posting this crapIke wrote:If china's economy goes the way it is now, it may want to invade russia(for tha oil).BBC News wrote: Neither of these two countries need to invade anybody for anything, they can both afford to buy all the oil they need.
"Food for oil" anyone
India/China are developing countries with populations of +1bil , large territory(like the USA) and it will stop at nothing to grow, bigger and stronger.
Have you never learned anything about how humans think? -no not forum trolls but normal people.
Russia is a communist country, china is a communist country -> they aren't known for their diplomatic ties or ways e.g kill kill kill kill kill kill kill
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America attacked Iraq because under Saddam's regime, their supply of oil was threatened. Plus all the usual bull about oppressive regimes and threats to world peace, blah blah blah. I wont defend the US - they are just as ruthless as China, but they have no interest in expanding their borders, just protecting their international assets. Bad example to defend you POVIke wrote:The U.S.A can buy all the oil it wants... And yet they attacked Iraq for it.
"Food for oil" anyone
India/China are developing countries with populations of +1bil , large territory(like the USA) and it will stop at nothing to grow, bigger and stronger
Russia still has an army large enough to easily defeat India, and probably bog the Chinese down in Siberia for a long time. Plus all those cold war Nukes are a strong deterrant.
America gets it oil from : south america and texas.jamin_za wrote:America attacked Iraq because under Saddam's regime, their supply of oil was threatened.Ike wrote: large territory(like the USA) and it will stop at nothing to grow, bigger and stronger
You really don't believe bush would waste bilions for "freedom"? the same freedom he is taking away from americans... Saw the news article where he stupidly said: Maybe a dictatorship won't be so bad
anyway there was a documentary made to show how corrupt he is.
Russia is a large country with a small population. (if it wasn't for communism or WW2 it's pop would have passed 190 milion est.cia factbook)
India won't attack russia... maybe iran. China on the other hand.
If a crises come to the chinese economy like not enough oil china will take it. Simple as that.
Nukes? Russia has 11000. The USA has 11000. China has: ? unknown
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Actually, America gets most of it's oil from Canada and Mexico. Both North American countries. Texas accounts for less than 30% of America's oil supply, and they import about 1.5 million barrels of crude oil per day from the middle east - which is a signifigant amount and worth protecting.Ike wrote:America gets it oil from : south america and texas.
Ike wrote:China on the other hand.
If a crises come to the chinese economy like not enough oil china will take it. Simple as that.
Who made those estimationsIke wrote:Nukes? Russia has 11000. The USA has 11000. China has: ? unknown
I believe they have alot of nukes. They're problem is not lack of Nukes, it's lack of a delivery platform. Their missiles do not have the range of America and Russia's ICBMs. But that's OT. Whats important here is that you dont nuke a country you are looking to annex. Unless you want to own a nuclear wasteland. And since China and Russia are neighbours, fallout from Russia will probably end up settling over China anyway.
If China do attack Russia (improbable as that is) they will use conventional invasion tactics and will have to cross Siberia. It's scorching summers and bitter winters have stopped Gengis Khan, & Nazi Germany. There are softer targets than Russia in Asia.
american v iraqi
israeli v lebanese
makes for some interesting thoughts - would like to see figures confirmed by the UN or someone else than the BBC tho..
israeli v lebanese
makes for some interesting thoughts - would like to see figures confirmed by the UN or someone else than the BBC tho..
"Integrity" and "integer" both contain a Latin root meaning "whole; complete." The root sense, then, is that people may be said to be acting with integrity when their beliefs, words, and actions have a sense of unity or wholeness.
http://honestreporting.com/articles/458 ... t_Lies.asp
Bold Distortions and Outright Lies
A Reuters photo turns out to be an outright lie, manipulated to make damage in Beirut appear much worse than reality.
The conflict between Israel and the Iranian-backed terror group Hezbollah has produced some of the most distorted and biased reporting we have seen in years. Despite evidence that Israel is taking unprecedented steps to avoid civilian casualties, some in the media have accused the IDF of using disproportionate force against a harmless civilian population. With little evidence to back up this claim, some are even resorting to outright fraud as in the following case.
Bold Distortions and Outright Lies
A Reuters photo turns out to be an outright lie, manipulated to make damage in Beirut appear much worse than reality.
The conflict between Israel and the Iranian-backed terror group Hezbollah has produced some of the most distorted and biased reporting we have seen in years. Despite evidence that Israel is taking unprecedented steps to avoid civilian casualties, some in the media have accused the IDF of using disproportionate force against a harmless civilian population. With little evidence to back up this claim, some are even resorting to outright fraud as in the following case.
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Yip their oil supply now comes from the middle east. It was coming from brazil.jamin_za wrote:Actually, America gets most of it's oil from Canada and Mexico. Both North American countries. Texas accounts for less than 30% of America's oil supply.
Who made those estimations
I believe they have alot of nukes. Their missiles do not have the range of America and Russia's ICBMs
Those estimations were made nearly 5 years ago by Cia as part of a BBC report.
Do you really think a country with a space program doesn't have the means to biuld a ICBM?.
Plus china has a huge navy -> enough to take their soldiers the small way across the sea. Check a map of russia and china.
-> harsh weather may stop an 1940's army... But not a modern one. Anyway with close to 600 000 milion rat (j/k) people to sacrifice do you really think russia army will hold agains that?
->Do you know how large russia is? Check a map-> moscow's fallout wont even reach khazakstan...
Very interesting link.jee wrote:Zell....
http://cedarsrevolution.org/content/view/31/9/
BUT, aren't there two ministers in the Lebanese government who are Hezbollah terrorists? And didn't the Lebanese government proclaim it will back up Hezbollah in the "war against Israel"?
I understand if some Lebanese know the truth like this Cedars Revolution, but as it is the Jihadist media there, most people will see what the terrorists want them to see.
And if the government back up the terrorists, unfortunately for the people, the country is backing up the terrorists.
Cappy's sig pretty much sums up what happened in Qana, etc etc.
Of course the media in South Africa reckon they have to backup the Jihadis, hence they reproduce these incidents just as the terrorists want them. They don't even show how almost 200 rockets and missiles are fired into Israel EVERY DAY, with Israeli citizens having to hide in bunkers in fear, some perishing every day.
Also Koffi Annan and his UN are corrupt pieces of trash.
If the Lebanese think the UN will protect them, they are having false hopes unfortunately.
The Syrian and Iranian governments are responsible for this whole conflict.
Iran supplied the missiles and katyusha rockets that are being fired every day.
And unfortunately for those Lebanese civilians, the terrorists force them to stay in an are that is going to be bombed (at gunpoint) even though Israel drops leaflets a while before warning all civilians to leave. (Dunno how effective it is as the terrorists will be warned as well).
Terrorism is a very hard war to fight... I hope something will happen soon, and not just a ceasefire, as that will mean in 1 year we will have the same situation again when Hezbollah reckons its time to fire the missiles again.
Anyways thanks for the link. Will read more on that site tomorrow night.
EDIT: Even with this: http://cedarsrevolution.org/content/view/29/9/
letter, Kofi Annan was still all anti-Israel blaming them for hostilities etc... Corrupt fool.
America is the only one with a powerful force to secure that border, but with how things are going in Iraq...
Dunno...