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Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 04 Oct 2012, 09:38
by Anakha56
rustypup wrote:other hobgoblins
And I thought they were fantasy? :shock:

/Goes off to find the dragon in the Nature Reserve, if there are hobgoblins there must be a dragons somewhere!

//Why am I numb all of a sudden...

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 10:24
by hamin_aus
Stupid or stupid-fiction:
6 scientists who failed to predict the severity of an earthquake sentenced to 6 years in prison
www.telegraph.co.uk wrote:L'Aquila earthquake scientists sentenced to six years in jail

A group of scientists are facing six years in jail for manslaughter after providing “an incomplete, inept, unsuitable and criminally mistaken” assessment of risks posed by the devastating L’Aquila earthquake that killed more than 300 people.
The landmark decision on Monday was welcomed by victims and their families but immediately prompted uproar from the scientific community, which contends that there is no reliable way of predicting earthquakes.
The six scientists and a former government official were all members of the Major Risks Committee which met in the central Italian city on March 31, 2009, after several small tremors had been recorded in the region. At the time, they ruled that it was impossible to determine whether the tremors would be followed by a large quake, in a judgment which reassured residents. One of the group famously advised them to relax with a glass of wine. Just six days later, a 6.3 magnitude quake devastated L’Aquila.
On Monday, Judge Marco Billi announced the manslaughter sentence to a packed courtroom in a temporary building erected to hear the case in the still devastated city. He also ruled that the defendants should pay 7.8 million euros (£6.4 millions) in damages, with two million euros to be paid immediately.
The sentencing provoked strong criticism from the scientific community.

Richard Walters of Oxford University’s Department of Earth Sciences, said he was “saddened” about the verdict, warning that it set a “dangerous precedent”.
“The issue here is about miscommunication of science, and we should not be putting responsible scientists who gave measured, scientifically accurate information in prison. This sets a very dangerous precedent and I fear it will discourage other scientists from offering their advice on natural hazards and trying to help society in this way.”
Prof Malcolm Sperrin, Director of Medical Physics, Royal Berkshire Hospital, said: “If the scientific community is to be penalised for making predictions that turn out to be incorrect, or for not accurately predicting an event that subsequently occurs, then scientific endeavour will be restricted to certainties only and the benefits that are associated with findings from medicine to physics will be stalled.”
Prosecutor Fabio Picuti had sought four-year terms for each of the defendants accusing them of failing to alert the population of the historic Medieval town only days before quake struck on April 6. Judge Billi’s reason for the longer sentence imposed will be disclosed at a later date.
In his summing up earlier on Monday, Mr Picuti told the court that the defendants had provided “an incomplete, inept, unsuitable and criminally mistaken” analysis which gave the residents of L’Aquila a false sense of security.
He compared them to the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which came under fire for failing to assess the risks before Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans in 2005.
Speaking after the sentencing, Enzi Boschi, the former president of Italy’s National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology, who was among the seven found guilty, said he was “disappointed and devastated”.
“I thought I would be cleared. I still don’t understand of what I am accused,” he said.
Defence lawyers condemned the sentence and pledged to appeal it - under the Italian system, the seven will remain free until they have exhausted two chances to appeal.
Marcello Petrelli who represented Franco Barberi, professor of volcanology and a former deputy Civil Protection minister, said the sentence was “incredible and incomprehensible”.
But family members of some of those killed in the earthquake said the victims had won the case with the help of “heavenly” intervention.
“Between the objections and the sentence I went to the cemetery to see my nephew, I felt like saying that the accused had a large stable of lawyers but this time my 'celestial lawyer’ has won,” said Antonietta Centofanti, aunt of Davide who was killed in the university dormitory on the night of the quake.
After the main earthquake struck, L’Aquila and the surrounding area was shaken by another 250 powerful aftershocks within 48 hours.
The quake caused damage worth an estimated 10 billion euros (£8 billion), leaving large areas of the city abandoned even today and the community still devastated by the tragedy.

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 10:35
by rustypup
if they had encouraged everyone to "flee for their lives!" but the quake didn't happen... would they have had to stand trial for the monetary/property/livelihood losses incurred?

basic science education is failing someone here and i'm sure it's not the defendants'... :/

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 14:57
by Ron2K

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 15:18
by GreyWolf
LOL @ Ron. I saw this today. Have actually got my twitter feed open and am reading through these in between work...

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 07:56
by rustypup
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A pioneering team from IBM in Zurich has published single-molecule images so detailed that the type of atomic bonds between their atoms can be discerned.

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 11:01
by Hman
Very interesting

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 15:40
by rustypup
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for a horrible blend of amusing and depressing...

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 12:27
by Anakha56
Okay so interesting story on Giz:

http://gizmodo.com/5980166/surprised-sc ... hs-surface
Surprised Scientists Find Lifeforms Six Miles Above Earth’s Surface
Jesus Diaz

For the first time, scientists have found lifeforms where nobody thought it was possible: floating in the troposphere, the slice of the atmosphere approximately four to six miles (eight to 15 kilometers) above Earth's surface. And not just a tiny few, but lot: 20% of every particle in that atmospheric layer are living organisms.

This has profound implications for our understanding of weather, the spread of disease, and life on other planets.

...
If you follow the link and read further they are thinking that these bacteria feed off of carbon compounds. So ... will they grow on our excess carbon in the atmosphere or will they die out? Effects on global warming?

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 14:52
by ryanrich
I read that on Giz last night, fascinating stuff!

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 24 Apr 2013, 21:32
by StarPhoenix
This........Higgs particle/field thingy.......this is probably a gross oversimplification, but might it be said[from a non-scientist's point of view] that property of "mass" that results from a non-photon's interaction with Higg's is something like drag [or resistance]....and that the gradual increase in mass as a non-photon is accelerates is like an increase in resistance against the motion of said body through a medium.

A pity that one cannot illustrate this with the idea of a fluid becoming more viscous the faster one traverses it.

THe next question is: what am I smoking, and where can you get some? :P

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 06:48
by rustypup
your daily depression* in a handy quiz format...

*not the quiz, the average result...

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 07:28
by SykomantiS
I only got 12/13 :cry:
That last one about fracking was lost upon me.

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 09:49
by rustypup
SykomantiS wrote:That last one about fracking was lost upon me.
you are dead to me :P

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 09:53
by KatrynKat
i also got 12/13 but i got the one wrong about heating of the atmosphere, thinking it was in terms of chemistry and not in terms of global warming yadda yadda... :)

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 10:04
by SykomantiS
rustypup wrote:
SykomantiS wrote:That last one about fracking was lost upon me.
you are dead to me :P
Net nie dit nie! :lol:

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 10:11
by GreyWolf
13/13 BABAY! OH YEAH!!! I A SO SARMT!

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 10:32
by rustypup
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only 20% of the sampled populace was aware that nitrogen is the most prevalent gas in our atmosphere... how does anyone make it out of primary education without knowing this?

by inference, 80% of them are unaware of how toxic oxygen can be...

also, >50% think electrons are bigger than atoms and lasers work via sound waves... :roll:

<note: this data is over a tiny sample of adults from what appears to be the 'bible belt' - because if this were a genuinely indicative sample of the american populace, we're all dead...>

@KatrynKat - worry not. you're in good company :lol:
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Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 12:24
by CapNemo
13 :? people must be really stupid if I look at the results

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 12:51
by GreyWolf
rustypup wrote: <note: this data is over a tiny sample of adults from what appears to be the 'bible belt' - because if this were a genuinely indicative sample of the american populace, we're all dead...>
Never mind that all the questions were easily Googlable...

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 14:47
by CapNemo
I thought they were common knowledge :dontknow:

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 09:38
by KALSTER
rustypup wrote:
only 20% of the sampled populace was aware that nitrogen is the most prevalent gas in our atmosphere... how does anyone make it out of primary education without knowing this?

by inference, 80% of them are unaware of how toxic oxygen can be...
I was more thinking about combustion. We'd be a pile of smouldering ashes if the oxygen level was that high :shock: .

So the atmosphere warming thing....you and KK got it wrong? What did you answer and why?

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 20:00
by doo_much
CapNemo wrote:13 :? people must be really stupid if I look at the results

And looking at the results, woman more so than men? :whistling:

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 27 Apr 2013, 08:52
by rustypup
KALSTER wrote:you and KK got it wrong? What did you answer and why?
no... KK got it wrong, but the results indicate that this may be a woman thing, hence the "good company" :lol:

Re: Science or Science Fiction: The thread to debate science

Posted: 27 Apr 2013, 09:17
by KALSTER
rustypup wrote:
KALSTER wrote:you and KK got it wrong? What did you answer and why?
no... KK got it wrong, but the results indicate that this may be a woman thing, hence the "good company" :lol:
Haha!

Have no idea what she means with "in terms of chemistry". :?