Worlds most kick-@$$ aircraft!

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 10 May 2006, 00:52

Firstly, looks have nothing to do with this.
Your Apache will look like a smoldering heap when the KA-50 is done.

Also the Tiger is a copter that tries to be a jack of all trades, but is a master of none.

It is not as big as an Apache and cant carry as many weapons.
It is not as stealthy as the Comanche and cant get behind enemy lines undetected as easily.

J2theT · Post by **J2theT** » 10 May 2006, 00:53

Ive seen apaches fly over me in The Netherlands when they fly around with some hueys (spelling)

just perfect...

Ok... and by commenche you mean that heap of thingama-jig on top of the page?

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 10 May 2006, 01:01

This is the Comanche - get the spelling right

You may remember these as the attack helicopters from the Incredible Hulk movie.
They are probably the stealthiest copters in the world right now. They dont pack as much punch as any of the other copters mentioned so far, but who needs to, when you are almost invisible to rader and can fly with very low noise and heat emissions....

J2theT · Post by **J2theT** » 10 May 2006, 01:03

Comanche = Thing-a-ma-jig

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 10 May 2006, 01:07

Well, I must say you are doing an excellent job of defending that ghey-azz Tiger copter by calling the Comanche a "thing-a-ma-jig", JT.

It looks like the only possible thing a Comanche pilot could do to defend himself from an attack of that caliber would be to fly up behind a Tiger and put a few hunderd 15mm shell in it...

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 10 May 2006, 01:15

Thrall wrote:Apache at Taji, Iraq:

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Thrall, it looks like that Apache pic was taken just after take-off.
Was it taken by you?

capanno · Post by **capanno** » 10 May 2006, 09:51

The rooivalk will pawn an apache with his eyes closed.

Anthropoid21 · Post by **Anthropoid21** » 10 May 2006, 10:06

capanno wrote:The rooivalk will pawn an apache with his eyes closed.

Most of the Commanche's tech is coming from the Rooivalk... and also the guidance system.. invented in SA

capanno · Post by **capanno** » 10 May 2006, 10:19

And the rooivalk is still using 30+ year old puma engines.

One of my friend's dad is an engineer and he worked on the rooivalk, and he told me of this cocky apache pilot at a dubai airshow. He bragged about the apache blah blah blah and how it could fly for 30 seconds upside down. OOOOh. The rooivalk pilot, when he got his turn, flew out and came straight at the runway. He then flipped the rooivalk upside-down and slowly flew the entire lenght of the runway.

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 10 May 2006, 23:35

The thing you have to remember is that the Rooivalk, and even the Comanche and Black Shark are all relatively untested helicopters.
While the Apache and it's pilots have seen quite a bit of combat since the 80's.
IIRC there are less than 30 Rooivalks in active service at the moment, and even less Black Sharks and Comanches.

Even though the Rooivalk is better on paper than an Apache, I would put money on the Apache winning in a fight.
Quite honestly, it's battle hardened pilots give it an edge over all the technologically advanced planes around today.

Although, I'm sorry JT, the Dutch have never used the thing in battle, so a Dutch-flown Apache versus a Rooivalk will probably not do the Apache justice.

Post by **Anakha56** » 16 May 2006, 09:13

jamin just curious but how about we change the title to suit any military aircraft? that way we can discuss many a different plane with out going OT...

What do you think of this?

not high in punch but unmanned is unmanned...

Evade · Post by **Evade** » 16 May 2006, 09:16

this plane has been in design 4 eva now, there r flight sims featuring it like 4yrs ago.....
guess they finally got it da production phase

:edit: word change

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 16 May 2006, 09:46

Anakha56 wrote:jamin just curious but how about we change the title to suit any military aircraft? that way we can discuss many a different plane with out going OT...

What do you think of this?

not high in punch but unmanned is unmanned...

Title changed

I agree with Evades sentiments.
While unmanned craft will be excellent at reconissance, AI systems are still many years away from being battle-calpable.
This plane can fly in and bomb staic targets, but you send up a manned plane and it will toast this thing.

Other interesting planes are the B2 Bomber or 'Flying wing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit
And the mach6+ Aurora

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft
The US military still deny the existance of this craft, but then they denied the existance of the SR71 Blkackbird for ages as well...

Evade · Post by **Evade** » 16 May 2006, 12:57

yeah, those americans always denieing things, then a couple yrs l8r its "hey look, we lied"

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 16 May 2006, 13:15

Here is the Russians answer to the F-22and B2

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/soviet.shtml

In an ironic twist Russia has sunk millions into researching these planes and now cannot afford to actually but them.

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 27 May 2006, 04:27

Here is a clip of a guy that keeps passing out while doing high-G turns in an F-18

Sickwacky · Post by **Sickwacky** » 27 May 2006, 10:06

The most kick$ss aircraft?

Well, I think its the North American X-15

During the X-15 program, 13 flights met the US criterion for a spaceflight by passing an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) and the pilots were accordingly awarded astronaut status by the USAF. Out of these, 2 also qualified for the international FAI definition of a spaceflight by passing the 62.1 mile (100 km) mark

Maximum speed: 4,520 mph (7,274 km/h) Mach 6.72

I think its the fastest manned aircraft

synthetix_ · Post by **synthetix_** » 27 May 2006, 13:12

muffinman wrote:The ultimate heli!!

Apache

No, I reckon that the roooifalk is beter and much more advanced.

synthetix_ · Post by **synthetix_** » 27 May 2006, 13:22

A pic of the rooivalk.

synthetix_ · Post by **synthetix_** » 27 May 2006, 13:28

The title says "The world most kick *** aircraft."
Is its the fastest yet most almost non- manueverable aircraft in existence.
Its goal, to go where no one has gone before.

Sickwacky · Post by **Sickwacky** » 27 May 2006, 13:31

synthetix_

The apache Longbow AH-64 is the ultimate hilcopter in the world...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... he_005.jpg

synthetix_ · Post by **synthetix_** » 27 May 2006, 13:34

As per the most advanced weaponing system is on the Rooivalk, Ill take my chances in that.

Sickwacky · Post by **Sickwacky** » 27 May 2006, 13:39

The South African designed and manufactured Rooivalk attack helicopter comes equiped with to air to air missiles, anti-tank missiles and a rapid fire automatic 20mm cannon. It carries a crew of two. The first CSH-2 for the South African Air Force was delivered at the end of 1998, with manufacture planned at four per year until 2001. In a police support role it could be used for inntelligence gathering, surveliance, electronic soundwave jamming an as a airborne crane. The survivability of the Rooivalk is enhnaced by design characteristics that include low detection signatures, high agility, damage tolerance, dual redundant systems and airframe crashworthiness. The helicopter is able to operate in the nape of the earth environment and can operate in night and adverser wealther conditions from long standoff ranges. The helmet, HUD and nose mounted day/night stabilized sighting systems provide for fast, hightly accurate designation and delivery of anti-tank missiles, air-to ground rockets, cannon fire, and the ability to carry air to air missiles for self defence.
specs
1.country of orgin South Africa
2. builder denel aviation/ atlas aircraft co
3. role attack helicopter
4. rotor diameter 15.22M
5. length 18.65M
6.height 5.15M
7. weight 13,035 LBs, maximum takeoff weight 19,290 LBs
8. engine 2 makila 1K2 turboshaft
9. maximum speed 309 KM/H, cruising speed 278 KM/H
10. surface ceiling 20,000 FT
11. armament 20MM cannon ( with 700 rounds) 8 or 16 anti-tank missiles, 4 matra BAE, Dynamics, mistral air to air missiles, 2 denel V3P air to air missiles, 38 or 76 unguided rockets

The thing sucks man!

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 27 May 2006, 13:46

The problem with the Rooivalk is that it has never been tested in battle.
Non of it's pilots have flown comabt missions in it, while the Apache pilots have countless combat missions.
To date the Rooivalk has not been a big seller in the global market, I think there are less than 30 in active military service in the world today.

The Apache may not be the best helicopter in the world, but it is the favourite.

For my money, the Russian-made KA-50 Black Shark is the king. Take a look at my previous posts about it to see why. The sad thing is that like all modern Russian war machines - there is simply no money left to further develop this beast. There were only about 15 made, and none of them have ever flown in comabt.

Still, if this helicopter ever saw a battlefield, it would be bad news for the Apache, Rooivalk, Eurocopter, Airwolf and anyhting else that crossed it's path

Hman · Post by **Hman** » 27 May 2006, 14:09

The F-16 C. In C trim it can take off then pull up 90 degrees and still accelerate ( not fully loaded of course ). The airframe is stressed to handle 11G's but is limited to 9G's because humans can only handle that for a few seconds. Though the ultimate must be the AFTI/F-16 as tested by NASA.

Once saw this thing on TV. It can climb or dive without changing pitch. Also so it rotating horizontally in flight a complete 360 degrees.

Another cool plane is the MIG 29.