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Hellfury wrote:I think Sasuke is weak because he took the easy way out and ran to Orochimaru. Naruto learnt to do things the hard way in life unlike the villges "Precious", pompus, arrogant little Sasuke-kun. When he noticed Naruto was getting stronger than him, he ran away because he couldn't deal with the fact that someone was stronger than him.

@Rayne, even without Kyuubi Naruto has an enourmous amount of chakra and an insane amout of chakra-stamina. In the fight against Gaara, Naruto only used Kyuubi in the end, fro the final blow.

Rayne wrote:If his own chakra (blue chakra) is so strong then why did Jirayi teach him to run out of it first so that he can make use of his incredible inner strength (red chakra).

Rayne wrote:You oke's are talking about terms I've in 188 episodes after 2 weeks of watching have not heard of yet hey. Remember I cannot argue manga at this point in time.

Anyway, OTC, Chidori has nothing to do with Sharingan. IMHO any one can learn it. I say this because, once again, Kakashi told Zabuza that it was his very own unique technique he obtained by himself. He did not learn it from someone else. We also saw Sasuke train very hard to obtain it and he was even late for the Chuunin exam finals because of it.

Rayne wrote: Now Hellfury, coming back to what you said about Itachi in that other thread, I take it you know he is stronger than Orochimaru because of the manga then, because I did not see that explained in the anime yet.

Also, even Itachi with his more advanced Sharingan had no effect on Gai, a mere Jounin. Gai said when fighting a Sharingan user one needs to merely look solely at their feet and judge their movements from there, not stare them in or anywhere close to their eyes.

And I've also been thinking about Itachi's show-off against Jiryai. Judging by only the anime I honestly doubt he can be that much stronger. When he and his buddy Kisame (I think his name is) got away he said he has to rest urgently because his exhausted from using two major technique's simultaniously, and they didn't even fight yet.

And also, once again from the anime, he and Kisame was scared to take-on Jirayi. That's why they lured him away from Naruto using a pretty girl, to avoid confrontation as they doubted the outcome. Kisame also told Itachi it will be very hard to confront a Sanin whilst they watched Jirayi and Naruto from a distance, that's why they had to think-up a plan in the first place.

If they really weren't troubled with his strength, why did they not just approach and defeat him openly? It's not like they were on a stealth
mission or anything, everyone knew they were after Naruto.

PeanutButter wrote:Ok here!With training and fighting, ones chakra can increase.Ok so when he got taught to use is red his blue was not enough to summon the frog!

But after the massive battle he had bttle he had with Gaara is chakra got enough for him to summon the frogs!

I havent seen past 80 but as far as i figure this is how it can work!

Hellfury wrote:

Rayne wrote: Now Hellfury, coming back to what you said about Itachi in that other thread, I take it you know he is stronger than Orochimaru because of the manga then, because I did not see that explained in the anime yet.

Also, even Itachi with his more advanced Sharingan had no effect on Gai, a mere Jounin. Gai said when fighting a Sharingan user one needs to merely look solely at their feet and judge their movements from there, not stare them in or anywhere close to their eyes.

And I've also been thinking about Itachi's show-off against Jiryai. Judging by only the anime I honestly doubt he can be that much stronger. When he and his buddy Kisame (I think his name is) got away he said he has to rest urgently because his exhausted from using two major technique's simultaniously, and they didn't even fight yet.

And also, once again from the anime, he and Kisame was scared to take-on Jirayi. That's why they lured him away from Naruto using a pretty girl, to avoid confrontation as they doubted the outcome. Kisame also told Itachi it will be very hard to confront a Sanin whilst they watched Jirayi and Naruto from a distance, that's why they had to think-up a plan in the first place.

If they really weren't troubled with his strength, why did they not just approach and defeat him openly? It's not like they were on a stealth
mission or anything, everyone knew they were after Naruto.

There are only 2 people capable of beating Itachi. Naruto and the Akatsuki leader

Rayne wrote:Given the title I'm posting the following here -

In continuation to what was said about Naruto in the other thread -

Ja, it's too dragged-out, repetitive and just plain annoying at times. Sure there's mostly a fight in every episode but that my friends is not necessarily a good thing. All Sakura does is think of Sasuke, all Sasuke does is talk big and all Naruto does is Kage Bunshin no Jitsu.

In 188 episodes you see him use his Rendan like 5 times or so. Everything is always Kage Bunshin no Jitsu.

When he fights a lot of guys = Kage Bunshin no Jitsu. When he fights only one guy = Kage Bunshin no Jitsu. When the first time fail what does he do? = Kage Bunshin no Jitsu. If that one also fails what does he do? = Kage Bunshin no Jitsu.

His Rendan is copied from Sasuke who in turn stole the technique from Lee and his Resengan is nowhere near perfect either.

Apart from that he is really an ugly little **** also.

Sure the little guy inspiore people becuase of his strong will and scenes like that are usually very well done but even so they are always overshadowed by flashbacks.

IMO Sakura thus has the strongest will out of all Genin and now instead of building her character they have her training in solitude missing missions.

You oke's should not write Sakura off just yet. That epside where she tried to prevent Sasuke from leaving was well done for a reason.

I will not at all be surprised when she is the one to accomplish this task near the end of the show.

We'll see I guess.

And as I already mentioned I really hate action mixed with comedy. Except of course when it involves Lee being drunk... that parts are good.

Looking back on 188 episodes I will say most were ok up to episode 140 something. The fillers have nothing to do with the show at all and can be discarded in total.

You only see the Genin's sent on stupid missions in mixed teams. Nothing more.

Rayne wrote:Razengan, Rasengan, who cares? Let's not turn this in to the battle of the subbers.

Point is his very far away from mastering it. 188 episodes into the show and he can't even mold chakra in only one hand by himself yet.

And I didn't say he copied Razengan from Sasuke. I said he copied Rendan from him, which he did. Sasuke copied Lee when Lee tried to do a Secondary Lotus on him when they faught before the start of the Chuunin exam, applied it in his opening fight in same Chuunin exam and that is where Naruto saw it. When Naruto used the same technique there was even a flashback to Sasuke's earlier fight and all the other Genin watching realized same.

Chidori is also not unique to Sasuke or the Uchiha clan. It's Kakashi's unique finishing move. He said so himself when he fought Zabuza. Kakashi merely taught it to Sasuke just like Jiryai taught Razengan to Naruto.

And whilst were at it, let me add that at least Sasuke learned and apply his technique correct. Naruto does not.

Now, coming back to Sakura, I understand what you are saying. Really I do, felt the same earlier on myself.

Though her weak character changed a lot during the show, and not only now that she's apprentice to Tsunade.

Sakura is weak and she's afraid during battle but in that very same weakness lies her strength. She knows she's weak. She doesn't hide from this fact and when called for she puts her life on the line without a moments hesitation.

Sasuke will stop and think before acting and Naruto just rushes in **** things up more without thinking.

Who saved Naruto and Sasuke from certain death in the valley during the Chuunin exam? Sakura. Who saved Sasuke from certain death in his fight against Gaara? Sakura. Who saved Naruto and more so that ninja girl in Orochimaru's mansion? Sakura. What was Sasuke busy doing? Dying. What was Naruto busy doing? Dying.

Since the earlier parts of the show she has always surpassed both of them in training. She even climbed the tree using chakra with her very first try. It took Naruto and Sasuke a whole day and night to accomplish same.

That's why I'm saying don't discard Sakura just yet.

A person's strength is not solely measured by physical ability and power.

Have you seen Tenjho Tenge GreyWolf? In one scene Aya asked Maya what strength is and Maya did not answer. She learned that answer herself later.

I believe that same answer applies in Naruto.

When Sakura faught Ino we also learned she has 2 minds. This might turn out very interesting later. Every once so often we also saw Sakura and her inner Sakura as well. Do you guys think that was just to add comedy? If so, why has it in 188 episodes not been applied to any other character? I mean, this show sure as hell is repetitive.

In any case, at the end of the day, most earlier episodes I enjoyed. Enough to make me watch all of it for crying out loud.

Though we'll have to watch and see what happens in the coming season.

Let's just hope things get back on track soon.

Btw, how many episodes aires a week in Japan? I wan't to know how long a wait that is.

EDIT : I see you oke's are awake... Sorry, late reply.