Inter-racial Relationships - your views?

Ark · Post by **Ark** » 29 May 2007, 12:34

Yeah, for some reason pics don't get displayed in my sig anymore...

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 12:36

Ark wrote:Yeah, for some reason pics don't get displayed in my sig anymore...

Maybe you don't have sig rights anymore.
Or try hosting it at a different place...

SoulBlade · Post by **SoulBlade** » 29 May 2007, 12:40

imageshack is messed up these past months

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 29 May 2007, 12:47

PaperCut wrote:There's black people who speak English and have no idea who they really are or where they come from (heritage)

with all due respect, that statement is as flawed as they come. are you just spouting the current dogma around this flawed concept or do you genuinely believe it?!...

want to know where you came from ... ask your parents... they may, (or may not, as the case may be), have some idea... want to know who you are?... look in a mirror...

my heritage says *nothing* about my individual existence.. nothing. why would it?... if i can't stand by my personal value system, why would the fake one provided by those around me be any different?...

capanno · Post by **capanno** » 29 May 2007, 12:51

Hear hear. People have the right to hold onto tradition and heritage, but thats where most problems spawn from! Racism being the poster child. Its dangerous to hang onto them too tightly, like tradition and habits, it replaces rational reasoning and thinking.

DuncanMcCloud · Post by **DuncanMcCloud** » 29 May 2007, 13:16

rustypup wrote:
PaperCut wrote:There's black people who speak English and have no idea who they really are or where they come from (heritage)
with all due respect, that statement is as flawed as they come. are you just spouting the current dogma around this flawed concept or do you genuinely believe it?!...

want to know where you came from ... ask your parents... they may, (or may not, as the case may be), have some idea... want to know who you are?... look in a mirror...

my heritage says *nothing* about my individual existence.. nothing. why would it?... if i can't stand by my personal value system, why would the fake one provided by those around me be any different?...

Just cause my dad's afrikaans does that mean im an apartheid racist now? :crazy:

I dont care where my grand parents came from, thats irrelevant to me. How would that impact my daily living? Totally ridiculous.

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 13:27

rustypup wrote:
PaperCut wrote:There's black people who speak English and have no idea who they really are or where they come from (heritage)
with all due respect, that statement is as flawed as they come. are you just spouting the current dogma around this flawed concept or do you genuinely believe it?!...

I have come across people who give you a different answer each time you ask them about their culture/traditions/heritage anything. To a point where they hardly say anything when discussions about tradition/culture comes up. That's why I said, they have no idea. As a result, they grab onto the next big thing... in this case being something they are not (fake hair, fake accent fake everything).

trust me I know people like this.

That's from personal experience. I'm sorry if it's sounds cliche...

Post by **ryanrich** » 29 May 2007, 13:29

rustypup wrote:
PaperCut wrote:There's black people who speak English and have no idea who they really are or where they come from (heritage)
with all due respect, that statement is as flawed as they come. are you just spouting the current dogma around this flawed concept or do you genuinely believe it?!...

want to know where you came from ... ask your parents... they may, (or may not, as the case may be), have some idea... want to know who you are?... look in a mirror...

my heritage says *nothing* about my individual existence.. nothing. why would it?... if i can't stand by my personal value system, why would the fake one provided by those around me be any different?...

I agree. One of the only posts that makes actual sense these last few tripe filled pages...

Slasher · Post by **Slasher** » 29 May 2007, 13:32

PaperCut wrote: As a result, they grab onto the next big thing... in this case being something they are not (fake hair, fake accent fake everything).

Dang, and the real Hyundai Accent isn't even that expensive... Where do they get theirs? What price?

capanno · Post by **capanno** » 29 May 2007, 13:34

PaperCut wrote:That's why I said, they have no idea. As a result, they grab onto the next big thing... in this case being something they are not (fake hair, fake accent fake everything).

If they have no idea, then they don't belong anywhere. How can they be something they are not, when they aren't something in the first place?

Just joking.

thealluseless · Post by **thealluseless** » 29 May 2007, 13:38

Just cause my dad's afrikaans does that mean im an apartheid racist now? I dont care where my grand parents came from, thats irrelevant to me. How would that impact my daily living

no, but some ppl will still have prejudice against u simply because u have an afr surname/accent/name.

because of the history of our country, afr ppl might have a bad rep, and that affects u constantly. if u think what ur parents did, how they raised u or even what other afrikaans ppl have done, does not affect u, ur living in a lil dreamworld where u think everyone is non-prejudice and will base their thoughts solely on who u are at that moment.

what other ppl of the same race/ethnicity do, currently or ages in the past, will reflect on u now. Try as hard as u want, u will be stereotyped. its sad, but deal with it....

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 13:47

capanno wrote:
PaperCut wrote:That's why I said, they have no idea. As a result, they grab onto the next big thing... in this case being something they are not (fake hair, fake accent fake everything).
If they have no idea, then they don't belong anywhere. How can they be something they are not, when they aren't something in the first place?

Just joking.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 29 May 2007, 13:50

PaperCut wrote:I'm sorry if it's sounds cliche...

no apologies necessary... and my respect for keeping the discussion so civil...

surely you would agree that societies which polarise around cultural collusions, or inherited traits, naturally become exclusionary?... it's almost built in... what is perfectly acceptable in one is considered an abomination in the other, and suddenly THEY become WIERD or EVIL or NOT OUR KIND.

by clinging to the past, we are sacrificing what little time we have to move forward as a species... there is already evidence that humanity is stagnating... i consider it retarded that so many people can spend so much of their time distrusting each other, when the source of the mistrust is their own flawed, or narrow minded, perception of each other... it would be laughable if it weren't so sad...

let's think about the absurdity in that before espousing the 'perceived' benefits in retaining a 'cultural heritage'... it's a misnomer... progress comes when we overturn established beliefs/routines/concepts. this has nothing to do with 'disrespecting our elders'... it has to do with common sense...

as an uncultured child, i had no frame of reference for differentiating between races or cultures... it was only when my 'cultural heritage' was thrust upon me that i received these biases, (i like to think i ignored the bulk of them, because they simply made no sense, but i was suddenly made aware of them).

thealluseless · Post by **thealluseless** » 29 May 2007, 14:02

@ rusty i see where u are coming from....but ur seriously hoping for something thats not gonna happen. not anytime soon at least....

progress comes when we overturn established beliefs/routines/concepts

i agree we need to move forward, but by overturning past routines/concepts i think is a little bit radical,
besides most people are happy with the way things are, they are happy running around doing what they do, if u introduce new concepts that are too radical or out there, or try take away things that are deeply inveined in them, u r seriously gonna have a problem. Ppl dont like to accept change to easily.

there is a fine line between clinging to the past and learning from it.....history is not completely useless.

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 29 May 2007, 14:03

What an utopian existence

Remotely possible maybe, reality, never?

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 29 May 2007, 14:22

thealluseless wrote:Ppl dont like to accept change to easily.

sad but true... there again, we need to understand why this is... indifference?.. or are we, as a species, simply content to remain in a vegetative state, (i have a strong suspicion this may be the case)...

@lancelot: utopian? not quite... there will always be problems... my point is that we spend more time focused on something which, for all intents and purposes, exists between the ears, than we do on problems which exist in the real world. we are so susceptible, in fact, that we would spend money to change the name of a street before we spent it on a house for someone in dire need... that, right there, is where this sort of idiocy leads... we sacrifice our humanity to it...

ok, ok... i get it's a pipe dream that everyone will wake up at the same time and go "oh, well, that's just silly", but it bugs me that so few are capable, (or should that be 'willing' to), of getting even that far...

thealluseless · Post by **thealluseless** » 29 May 2007, 14:31

there again, we need to understand why this is... indifference?.. or are we, as a species, simply content to remain in a vegetative state, (i have a strong suspicion this may be the case)...

its a comfort thing i think...go with what u know.

most humans are very content to just cruise along, and those with the will to change things, either have no conviction to follow through and just complain about how stupid everyone is, or start climbing a ladder and get sidetracked......

reform happens so slowly in the modern world its frightening.

that we would spend money to change the name of a street before we spent it on a house for someone in dire need... that, right there, is where this sort of idiocy leads... we sacrifice our humanity to it...

could not agree more, there comes a point when ppl need to build a frikkin bridge, and dust the chip off their shoulder.

and instead of doing high publicity acts to try gain mass appeal, we need to start thinking about how to move forward....the past is not gonna change, no matter how much paint u cover it with

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 14:43

thealluseless wrote:
that we would spend money to change the name of a street before we spent it on a house for someone in dire need... that, right there, is where this sort of idiocy leads... we sacrifice our humanity to it...
could not agree more, there comes a point when ppl need to build a frikkin bridge, and dust the chip off their shoulder.

and instead of doing high publicity acts to try gain mass appeal, we need to start thinking about how to move forward....the past is not gonna change, no matter how much paint u cover it with

That's exactly what I was saying in that 'name changes" thread.

there's so much that REALLY needs to be changed for South Africans as a people to progress that for some reason, they get sidetracked by unimportant stuff. I mean what does a different name do for the people??

nothing.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 29 May 2007, 14:48

PaperCut wrote:what does a different name do for the people??

apparently, it has something to do with cultural heritage... which must make you stop and think... if only for a bit

thealluseless · Post by **thealluseless** » 29 May 2007, 14:56

apparently, it has something to do with cultural heritage... which must make you stop and think... if only for a bit

cheap shot....i saw it coming

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 14:57

rustypup wrote:
PaperCut wrote:what does a different name do for the people??
apparently, it has something to do with cultural heritage... which must make you stop and think... if only for a bit

This is whole thread has ran so far away from the original topic it's not even funny...

I'm lead to believe we've explored every single aspect of race in this thread alone. From dating to cultures to heritage to racism to street names...

It's been crazy...

:biggrin:

Ark · Post by **Ark** » 29 May 2007, 15:04

Oi!! Thanks to whoever fixed my sig!

thealluseless · Post by **thealluseless** » 29 May 2007, 15:05

This is whole thread has ran so far away from the original topic it's not even funny...

I'm lead to believe we've explored every single aspect of race in this thread alone. From dating to cultures to heritage to racism to street names...

It's been crazy...

and no one has changed their opinions, what a surprise....
stubborn stubborn ppl, why cant they just do what i say!!!!

PaperCut · Post by **PaperCut** » 29 May 2007, 15:05

Ark wrote:Oi!! Thanks to whoever fixed my sig!

great, now all I see is a red X. thanx a lot whoever!