the (mainly) non-Christians thread.

[RiaX]

interesting points there, however who said god has to be a sentient being?

The biggest flaw i have with christianity is the concept of "eternity", nothing lasts forever.

As for jesus i dont think it would be fair to say where is the proof, yes we have evidence of ancients through the monuments and cities they have built over time the research in science and mathematics documented proves their existance however to prove that jesus exists is to prove that a mere citizen existed and thats impossible because you would have to find the actual body, even if you find that body there is no way to validate it.

[chowzen]

Riax
I understand where you are coming from - but for some-one that changed so much, there most certainly has to be proof that he existed. Come on, he changed the world right?
It is the Tea pot fallacy.

[KALSTER]

Good questions chowzen! I will respond this evening (really this time).

[JollyJamma]

The biggest flaw i have with christianity is the concept of "eternity", nothing lasts forever.

Even cold November rain?

who created the creator?

Probably one of the biggest holes with 'God'.

Monty Pythons Life of Brian is such a brilliant movie because it's entirely satirical at the life of Jesus but with an underlining point of how he could 'just be this guy you know'. The best bit is when he jumps into the hole with the guy who took a vowel of silence. Claiming that he hadn't spoken a word for a frikken long time until Brian came a long, which is hailed as a miracle, has nothing to do with his abilities or status with his followers.

[RiaX]

Riax
I understand where you are coming from - but for some-one that changed so much, there most certainly has to be proof that he existed. Come on, he changed the world right?
It is the Tea pot fallacy.

Even if there is that would prove that a man named Jesus exists not the son of god

[chowzen]

JollyJamma
cool - should watch it.

Riax
Proof is in the pudding. The proof that we are always referring to is not for the man. If I need to find Jesus, I just walk into the Mexican Embassy here in PTA ( no offense, they are my clients, there really is a guy with a name like that). The proof is som sort of documentation of any of the miracles, any at all, but not scripture.
Tea Pot Fallacy.

[RiaX]

There are no such things as miracles in a divine sense, so there will be no evidence

[jee]

There are no such things as miracles in a divine sense, so there will be no evidence

how sure are you of that statement?

[RiaX]

There are no such things as miracles in a divine sense, so there will be no evidence

how sure are you of that statement?

Pretty sure, hitting a tree in a car and coming out unscaythed isnt a miracle, its luck people often confuse the two.

When i say miracle i mean like water turning into wine or something on that level

[jee]

i suppose that one only believe such things if one has experience it...

[RiaX]

i suppose that one only believe such things if one has experience it...

I've experienced it there isnt a light there isnt a force holding you its just the strength of the human body at its full potential, which we tend to underestimate

[jee]

i'm not just talking about your car analogy. I'm talking about miracles. all sorts.

[Prime]

No such thing as miracles, just people to naive to give science a chance to explain it

[jee]

we will agree to disagree Prime my little rose bud

[Prime]

we will agree to disagree Prime my little rose bud

By all means

But I've been on that side of the fence...anyway.

[jee]

Aahh Prime my little coconut ball, Christianity cannot claim miracles as belonging only to it.

[Prime]

Aahh Prime my little coconut ball, Christianity cannot claim miracles as belonging only to it.

No it can't but I'll paint them all with the same red brush in that regard.

[jee]

red is such an exciting colour...

[RiaX]

what kind of intellectual flirting is this?

[KALSTER]

Guys, I was busy with a long response when the power went out. Now my PC won't start up. Think it's the PSU. Thankfully I was backing up as I went along and most of it is preserved in a Word file. Not sure when I will be able to finish it though.

[Prime]

red is such an exciting colour...

It's the colour of love and anger. isn't that ironic

[Prime]

Guys, I was busy with a long response when the power went out. Now my PC won't start up. Think it's the PSU. Thankfully I was backing up as I went along and most of it is preserved in a Word file. Not sure when I will be able to finish it though.

Damn, that sucks.

Was eager to see your response.

[RiaX]

Guys, I was busy with a long response when the power went out. Now my PC won't start up. Think it's the PSU. Thankfully I was backing up as I went along and most of it is preserved in a Word file. Not sure when I will be able to finish it though.

once happend to me, but firefox restored the session with my post intact !

[jee]

red is such an exciting colour...

It's the colour of love and anger. isn't that ironic

yip, Cupid and the Devil in one... now that is one colour that describes me purrfectly

[rustypup]

Now my PC won't start up.

it's a miracle!

question: why is it that a random sequence of events that ends in a benefit for the protagonist is a miracle, whereas if it ends in injury it's bad luck?.... surely both are miracles?...

in which case, if you succumb to a "bad" miracle, it means the sky-man has it in for you....