Israel Hezbolla conflict

[hamin_aus]

Do you really think a country with a space program doesn't have the means to biuld a ICBM?.

Even if they have built one - they have not successfully tested it AFAIK. Because as soon as they do US satellites would pick it up. And this has not happened.

-> harsh weather may stop an 1940's army... But not a modern one.

Tell that to the US ground forces in Iraq

->Do you know how large russia is? Check a map-> moscow's fallout wont even reach khazakstan...

Thats the second time you have told me to check a map, and you logic (?) is flawed.

http://www.chernobyl.info/index.php?navID=2

The intial fallout zone from the Chernobyl meldown measured between 125 000 and 146 000 km2.
After a few days, the weather pattern had blown contamination over large parts of Scandinavia, Poland and the Baltic states, as well as southern Germany, Switzerland, northern France and England.
And the chernobyl meltdown delived only a fraction of the payload that a proper nuke, or worse, a thermonuke would provide.
In chernobyl's case, the prevailing winds blew the clouds west over Europe, but if winds are blowing the other way after the nuke is dropped, all of asia will be a contamination zone.
Thanks for playing, though.

[hamin_aus]

The Syrian and Iranian governments are responsible for this whole conflict.
Iran supplied the missiles and katyusha rockets that are being fired every day.

And why dont the Israeli's go for the head of the snake and attack Iran

Well, probably because it is easier to fight a few rag-tag terrorist cowards than it is to fight a 400 000 strong well trained army that will go toe-to-toe with the IDF on the Iranian border.

[Zell]

The Syrian and Iranian governments are responsible for this whole conflict.
Iran supplied the missiles and katyusha rockets that are being fired every day.

And why dont the Israeli's go for the head of the snake and attack Iran

Well, probably because it is easier to fight a few rag-tag terrorist cowards than it is to fight a 400 000 strong well trained army that will go toe-to-toe with the IDF on the Iranian border.

Well in case you don't know, those rag-tag terrorist cowards are firing up to 200 rockets and missiles every day into Israel. So even if Israel goes for the head of the snake, Israel must eliminate the projectiles being launched into Israel.

And its not so easy to just take out the snake... I'm not so sure Israel can take on Iran, Syria and the terrorists if it is having so much trouble already with those rag-tag fools.
And we don't know what those dodgy snake-head **** have up their sleeve either. If america will get involved, Israel will probably try pwn them, but if America has no interest, Israel might just not have the power to accomplish it atm.

[Lobster]

I think U.S.A will get involved!

And I think Isreal will pawn Syria one time!
Although since the last war, Syria has built 1
massive tank force!

[QBM]

holy ****.............do you people ever look anything up before you start typing? The ignorance in this thread is simply astounding..........

[hamin_aus]

holy ****.............do you people ever look anything up before you start typing? The ignorance in this thread is simply astounding..........

w00t!
QBM is back.
Please enlighten us, dude .

[Ike]

Even if they have built one - they have not successfully tested it AFAIK.

http://www.chernobyl.info/index.php?navID=2

The intial fallout zone from the Chernobyl meldown measured between 125 000 and 146 000 km2.

1. It's not much harder to build than a normal rocket. A spaceship, now that a bugger.

2.americas infantry sucks... In Iraq they ride outside the armor car. I mean WTH...

3.Chernobyl -> it a bit different than a normal nuke... A reactor meltdown cause wide spread radiation "dust" which was blown by the wind.

A nuke strike is basically a large area which is bombed. Like hiroshima, no nuclear dust was made. A bomb will only cause a radio active wave which will fade in days/months even... The direct area of the strike will have radiation damage for 1000 - 100 000 years.

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[Ike]

Chenobyl caused rather low radiation to europe, but england was radioactive anyways. (Before they knew of the dangers of radiactivity the english dumped waste in unsealed buckets and dumped it in the sea.)

In effect a ICBM strike that hits JHB won't even effect vereenigging. But a reactor meldown @ coeberg will affect places as far off as harare,north angola.

[hamin_aus]

It's not much harder to build than a normal rocket.

Normal rockets dont need enough fuel and a guidance system that will enable it to accurately hit a target on the other side of the world (Look up the definition of ICBM - I know China can reach Russia with it's current missile tech, but I was talking specifically about ICBMs)

americas infantry sucks...

America's infantry are probably the most well-trained in the world - as is every branch of their armed forces. If they have a hard time in a desert, you can bet your girlfriends goodies that China will too.

Chernobyl -> it a bit different than a normal nuke... A reactor meltdown cause wide spread radiation "dust" which was blown by the wind.

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A nuke strike is basically a large area which is bombed. Like hiroshima, no nuclear dust was made. A bomb will only cause a radio active wave which will fade in days/months even... The direct area of the strike will have radiation damage for 1000 - 100 000 years.

A very valid point, but you are assuming China will nuke Moscow and that will be that. If China were to use nukes, they would lauch many. Some targetting military assets, others targetting civilian assets. As soon as Russia are aware of these missiles, they will lauch a counter strike of their own. I have no doubt both countries have already simulated this scenario and know what would happen.

Lets be conservative and say 20 nuclear explosions over Russia and China (10 each) now we have enough nuclear waste to talk seriously about fallout. And also a nuclear winter.

[QBM]

Chenobyl caused rather low radiation to europe, but england was radioactive anyways. (Before they knew of the dangers of radiactivity the english dumped waste in unsealed buckets and dumped it in the sea.)

In effect a ICBM strike that hits JHB won't even effect vereenigging. But a reactor meldown @ coeberg will affect places as far off as harare,north angola.

Are you smoking crack or just trying to piss jamin off?

FYI:
A 1 megaton warhead would produce deadly fallout at 150+ miles away with a surface blast.........you can control the point of detonation to create such effects.......

[QBM]

anyway there was a documentary made to show how corrupt he is.

ooooooo....a documentary.....well then it must be true.

could have as much as 100 000 live war heads. 8O - but everybody is to afraid to ask them, just like chinese piracy - too afraid

China has less than 500 warheads. Very few of which are strategic.

[QBM]

I believe they have alot of nukes. They're problem is not lack of Nukes, it's lack of a delivery platform.

China has had ICBMs with 7000+ mile ranges since the 70s.

[hamin_aus]

Would a 7000 mile range be enough to to reach the west coast of America? My geography sucks...

[QBM]

Would a 7000 mile range be enough to to reach the west coast of America? My geography sucks...

Yes......it could hit almost anywhere in the US. Remember you can go over the poles too.

I actually meant kilometers earlier. The range of current Dong Feng-5s is ~ 7000 miles

[hamin_aus]

Ah, yes - of course

So who do yourate as a bigger instigator, QBM, China or North Korea?
I know the Chinese might follow Kim Jung into whatever fight he picks, but is China just as likely to start something as he is?

[QBM]

Ah, yes - of course

So who do yourate as a bigger instigator, QBM, China or North Korea?
I know the Chinese might follow Kim Jung into whatever fight he picks, but is China just as likely to start something as he is?

I really don't see China as an instigator although they seem to be building up to retake Taiwan. I don't see them following Kim Jung either. They really don't support him but they don't want the refugees or US involvement so they will continue to pressure NK.

Kim Jung is insane and is most likely to try to bring about a conflict but I don't see him succeeding short of attacking SK.

[Ike]

Normal rockets dont need enough fuel and a guidance system that will enable it to accurately hit a target on the other side of the world (Look up the definition of ICBM - I know China can reach Russia with it's current missile tech, but I was talking specifically about ICBMs)

2)---A very valid point, but you are assuming China will nuke Moscow and that will be that. If China were to use nukes, they would lauch many. Some targetting military assets, others targetting civilian assets. A

Lets be conservative and say 20 nuclear explosions over Russia and China (10 each) now we have enough nuclear waste to talk seriously about fallout. And also a

1- a rocket can also be laser targeted. V92 rockets for example was created by the nazi's and were targeting london using radar tech in the 1940's.

2-It depends where the nuke is detonated. 1 mile/500m /50 m. No chinese man is crazy enough to detonate a nuke 5 miles up.

And you don't target military assets with nukes. Only large cities. Military bases are striked by normal missiles, becuase it will be like hitting a fly with a gun.

No cities, no war.

[Ike]

Chenobyl caused rather low radiation to europe, but england was radioactive anyways. (Before they knew of the dangers of radiactivity the english dumped waste in unsealed buckets and dumped it in the sea.)

In effect a ICBM strike that hits JHB won't even effect vereenigging. But a reactor meldown @ coeberg will affect places as far off as harare,north angola.

Are you smoking crack or just trying to piss jamin off?

FYI:
A 1 megaton warhead would produce deadly fallout at 150+ miles away with a surface blast.........you can control the point of detonation to create such effects.......

Ye, I'm smoking tha good ****...

A 1 megaton warhead with a fallout of 150+ miles? are you stupid.
More like 150KM not miles... hell, thats 300km.

Or maybe they'll activate it in the stratos sphere? boom! kill everyone!

[capanno]

Its more like 200 km.

[Ike]

Its more like 200 km.

As I said... depends where you detonate it.

[QBM]

Chenobyl caused rather low radiation to europe, but england was radioactive anyways. (Before they knew of the dangers of radiactivity the english dumped waste in unsealed buckets and dumped it in the sea.)

In effect a ICBM strike that hits JHB won't even effect vereenigging. But a reactor meldown @ coeberg will affect places as far off as harare,north angola.

Are you smoking crack or just trying to piss jamin off?

FYI:
A 1 megaton warhead would produce deadly fallout at 150+ miles away with a surface blast.........you can control the point of detonation to create such effects.......

Ye, I'm smoking tha good ****...

A 1 megaton warhead with a fallout of 150+ miles? are you stupid.
More like 150KM not miles... hell, thats 300km.

Or maybe they'll activate it in the stratos sphere? boom! kill everyone!

Well at first I thought you were just enjoying a toke.....turns out you are an idiot.

Since I'm tired and don't have time to play with you:


1 Megaton Surface Blast: Fallout
Assumptions
Wind speed: 15 mph
Wind direction: due east
Time frame: 7 days

3,000 Rem*
Distance: 30 miles
Much more than a lethal dose of radiation. Death can occur within hours of exposure. About 10 years will need to pass before levels of radioactivity in this area drop low enough to be considered safe, by U.S. peacetime standards.

900 Rem
Distance: 90 miles
A lethal dose of radiation. Death occurs from two to fourteen days.

300 Rem
Distance: 160 miles
Causes extensive internal damage, including harm to nerve cells and the cells that line the digestive tract, and results in a loss of white blood cells. Temporary hair loss is another result.

90 Rem
Distance: 250 miles
Causes a temporary decrease in white blood cells, although there are no immediate harmful effects. Two to three years will need to pass before radioactivity levels in this area drop low enough to be considered safe, by U.S. peacetime standards.

*Rem: Stands for “roentgen equivalent man.” This is a measurement used to quantify the amount of radiation that will produce certain biological effects.




There are many fallout calculators on the web......you should try one.....

[Law]

I've recently as of 2 mins ago decidied on the best way to resolve this conflict.

They should get all the guys from 1 side of the complex and put them with all the females of the other side of the complex and visa versa and they should all make babies sothat all future generations are a 50/50 mix and make the 2 countries 1 and put and already 50/50mix person in power



gl hf

[Ike]

There are many fallout calculators on the web......you should try one.....

Are you stupid? no really? "I'z sees tha website with tzee calculationss"

I had my dad take a look at your crappy figures, and through his laughing he asked: "will there be winds blowing @ 300mph..."

I kinda think he knows what he's talking about, because he worked in the mines as a Radio Active Control Specialist.

He also said that the fact that there's no way that you can even calculate the effect's of radiation after a atomic boom, yet alone before.

[Ike]

This is hiroshima.

At least 11 U.S. POWs also died.[12] The radius of total destruction was about 1.6 km (1 mile), with resulting fires across 11.4 square km (4.4 square miles).[13] Infrastructure damage was estimated at 90% of Hiroshima's buildings being either damaged or completely destroyed.

nagasaki

This was nearly 3 kilometers (2 mi) northwest of the planned hypocenter; the blast was confined to the Urakami Valley and a major portion of the city was protected by the intervening hills.[27] The resulting explosion converted about 1 g of mass into energy with an equivalent blast yield of 21 kilotons of TNT

this in effect concludes that an ICBM's X 10 and won't destroy half of the world

[capanno]

Israeli ( I assume laser guided ) missile owning a hezbolla vehicle.

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