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petrivanzyl wrote: Bowling coach
Bowlers more than coach. The coach can be absolutely amazing. The guys still need to step up to the plate.

I'm not overly impressed with the captaincy. There didn't seem to be a plan B. Plan A not working? Crap! What now? Just give more of the same and hope for the best.

At this rate, given that we need a better thinking captain, who knows a thing or two about over rates, and given that our first choice spinner is Robbie P, they might as well beg Botha to come back. He is DEFINITELY a better captain, and while not a really special player, he's no worse a bowler that Robbie P.
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Australia had better wake up too. Two dismal performances if ever I saw one.
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Stuart wrote:Australia had better wake up too. Two dismal performances if ever I saw one.
Yes. And isn't it lovely to see :mrgreen:

I say bowling coach because like you said their is no plan B. To me this is a game plan / coaching / captaincy thing. Ie they continue to bowl short or length when they should be bowling full at the death. Even when they get hit they don't change the strategy, surely that is not only the bowlers fault.

It's like Ntini, he was famous for not having a slower ball or having much variety. Now it seems like all our bowlers like this "intelligence" to adapt to conditions and use variety. I believe its mostly a game plan / coaching strategy issue
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Okay, after watching the rest of the games so far South Africa actually look quite good in retrospect. This is one crazy competition.
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Nobody is going strong into this tournament, I think India on paper, and based on IPL practice went the best into this tournament.
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WiK1d wrote:Nobody is going strong into this tournament, I think India on paper, and based on IPL practice went the best into this tournament.
Ja, India has definitely looked the best so far, though admittedly aided by some lacklustre Protea bowling
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Early days, I know, but wow, South Africa have started slowly. Things are clearly not going to be easy in this competition.
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Amla is actually scoring! :shock:
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Anakha56 wrote:Amla is actually scoring! :shock:
This surprises you? What game do you watch?
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Obviously not the last two. :P
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Anakha56 wrote:Obviously not the last two. :P
Ah, so the guy fails in two games and suddenly it shocks you that he can score? ADD much?
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Anakha56 wrote:Obviously not the last two. :P
Ah, so the guy fails in two games and suddenly it shocks you that he can score? ADD much?
Pretty much :P.
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Why does SA even bother with a specialist spinner when Duminy is in the side?
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Stuart wrote:Why does SA even bother with a specialist spinner when Duminy is in the side?
He is our best spinner.

Much more disciplined bowling. :mrgreen:
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Stuart wrote:Why does SA even bother with a specialist spinner when Duminy is in the side?
To make Duminy bowl better? :P

That was actually a very disciplined bowling attack and I enjoyed every moment of it. Congrats on the win! Remember what I said I would hope happen:
Anakha56 wrote: Next up Pakistan! Here's hoping for a good game where we win and carry on winning past the final so MT can shove that silly tag down my throat :P.
I really want MT to shout from the heavens "I TOLD YOU SO!" :P.
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Anakha56 wrote:
Stuart wrote:Why does SA even bother with a specialist spinner when Duminy is in the side?
To make Duminy bowl better? :P

That was actually a very disciplined bowling attack and I enjoyed every moment of it.
Except for Phangiso. Five runs to the over is reasonable enough, I guess, but in the context of this game it was pretty expensive.
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Anakha56 wrote: Next up Pakistan! Here's hoping for a good game where we win and carry on winning past the final so MT can shove that silly tag down my throat :P.
I really want MT to shout from the heavens "I TOLD YOU SO!" :P.
Let's face it, South Africa was never going to have any real trouble against Pakistan in an ICC tournament. West Indies will be interesting. If they're having an on day it'll be a challenge. If not, it'll be a walkover.

I don't think MT denies that SA has a tendency to choke in pressure games; it's just that not every game is a pressure game worthy of the choke label. The test will come if and when we progress to the next round. And, honestly, with the current team, I'm not terribly optimistic.
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I love this headline:

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/ICCCha ... y-20130611
Proteas choke ... gloriously
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So tomorrow is D-Day for us and already some people are looking at Gayle as being the winner for the West Indies:

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/ICCCha ... e-20130612
Proteas to face Gayle force?
2013-06-12 14:16

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer
Cape Town – Almost inevitably, considering that he has smouldered but not yet properly caught fire, some observers are suggesting the big-hitting West Indian Chris Gayle will reserve his ICC Champions Trophy best for the effective “quarter-final” against South Africa at Cardiff on Friday.
The winners of the clash will be assured of onward passage to the semi-finals from Group B and the losers definitely go home early, so the stakes are as high as they could be.

One of modern cricket’s most crowd-pleasing players, given his reputation in both limited-overs formats, the 33-year-old Jamaican left-hander got 39 in the tense victory over Pakistan and then 21 in the pretty heavy loss to in-form India, both at The Oval.

That often means in his case that a big one is just around the corner, and South Africa, like virtually all other nations, have felt the wrath of his powerful, buccaneering stroke-play before in ODIs.

Gayle has registered three centuries in 27 encounters at this level with the Proteas, and they have tended to be particularly meaty ones, too.

On South Africa’s side statistically, however, is that Gayle carnage doesn’t necessarily translate into West Indies triumph: for example, his personal best knock against the Proteas of 152 not out (run-a-ball stuff) at the Wanderers in February 2004 wasn’t enough to prevent an SA victory by six wickets with two balls to spare in pursuit of a stiff 305.

He has also, generally, been kept better in check by South Africa than other teams – he averages 35 against them, as opposed to an overall career average of 38.29.

Still, Gayle was also very much to the fore on the last occasion West Indies beat the Proteas, all of 13 meetings back (in itself a morale-boosting stat for AB de Villiers’s outfit to take into the game).

That was in the semis of the very Champions Trophy held in India in 2006/07, when the Caribbean side upset South Africa by a comfortable six wickets, largely on the back of Gayle’s thunderous 133 not out at Jaipur.

On the Proteas side, only captain De Villiers and spin bowling all-rounder Robin Peterson will be survivors of that encounter doing battle once more on Friday.

These teams last met in ODI combat at the last World Cup in 2011, when South Africa cruised to a seven-wicket win at Delhi.

On that occasion debutant leg-spinner Imran Tahir’s four for 41 and De Villiers’s unbeaten 107 provided much of the impetus.

South Africa currently lie second on the Group B table, one of the two qualifying slots for the semis, considering that their positive net run rate (0.410) trumps that of the West Indies (-0.086 after their thumping from unbeaten, already-through India).

It is useful ammunition to have in the event of a no-result in Cardiff, where each of South Africa and West Indies would bank a point and end in the same positions on the table they occupy at present with the Proteas thus advancing.

On Tuesday there had seemed a good prospect of significant Friday rain in the Welsh city, although that appears to have been downgraded fairly considerably a day later.

What South Africa may not want is their old “favourite” (not!) at major ICC gatherings of a compressed, weather-affected game.

The more the contest is squeezed in overs terms, of course, the more the West Indian underdogs’ chances only increase ... and anything slightly resembling a Twenty20 affair would only delight somebody like Gayle.
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Anakha56 wrote:I really want MT to shout from the heavens "I TOLD YOU SO!" :P.
I'll keep this comment for later use. :P

To be quite honest, I have a really bad feeling about this. Gayle is due and we're playing something more resembling T20 today than a ODI. :o
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Mystical_Titan wrote:
Anakha56 wrote:I really want MT to shout from the heavens "I TOLD YOU SO!" :P.
I'll keep this comment for later use. :P

To be quite honest, I have a really bad feeling about this. Gayle is due and we're playing something more resembling T20 today than a ODI. :o
Yeah things aint looking good... Went to watch something else at 66/1...
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It's looking much better now and Gayle is back in the hut. We just need to maintain the pressure.
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Something we are struggling to do. Seeing a lot of loose bowling... Plus they are ahead on ducky system...
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Who's doing the rain dance with me?!
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Yes, yes, YES!!! Cricket-gasm! SA on the winning end of D/L for once!
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