I will reply to this once I have a bit of free time later today!
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So you are saying that with religion out of a government, we as the people will have a much better life, with no major religion as a moral guideline or watch dog, as new laws are passed with no moral implications or religion attached to could essentially void the human rights act that protects you.As to religion and government, my belief is that the two cannot mix, governments have no right to interfere with what I believe; therefore I am a proponent of a secular state
this is a discussion we've already had in this thread... the assertion that morality cannot exist outside of religion was proven to be flawed on multiple levels...wizardofid wrote:major religion as a moral guideline or watch dog
rustypup wrote:this is a discussion we've already had in this thread... the assertion that morality cannot exist outside of religion was proven to be flawed on multiple levels...wizardofid wrote:major religion as a moral guideline or watch dog
if it takes a priest/holy book/turtle to instruct us on what the difference is between social and anti-social behaviour, we've lost the plot and taken up smoking bin-liners...
rusty is right, however I don't want to start that debate all over again....KALSTER wrote:Turtles all the way down, hey?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_downwizardofid wrote:rusty is right, however I don't want to start that debate all over again....KALSTER wrote:Turtles all the way down, hey?
holy trinity/holy turtle same difference![]()
I just reason that without "religion" where would morality originate from.
but then again....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_without_religion
+1.rustypup wrote:this is a discussion we've already had in this thread... the assertion that morality cannot exist outside of religion was proven to be flawed on multiple levels...wizardofid wrote:major religion as a moral guideline or watch dog
if it takes a priest/holy book/turtle to instruct us on what the difference is between social and anti-social behaviour, we've lost the plot and taken up smoking bin-liners...
Our present government does not have any "religion" in its system, they even removed prayer from the opening of parliamentary sessions. It has not done anything to morals or the lack thereof. As rusty says, people should be able to tell what is moral and what is not, sadly the majority cannot.wizardofid wrote:So you are saying that with religion out of a government, we as the people will have a much better life, with no major religion as a moral guideline or watch dog, as new laws are passed with no moral implications or religion attached to could essentially void the human rights act that protects you.As to religion and government, my belief is that the two cannot mix, governments have no right to interfere with what I believe; therefore I am a proponent of a secular state
I am more afraid of a godless state, than one that has one.
Whether you like it not, religion and politics benefits you every day be it bad or good.
*sigh* There we go again.sadly the majority cannot.
Our present government does not have any "religion" in its system, they even removed prayer from the opening of parliamentary sessions. It has not done anything to morals or the lack thereof. As rusty says, people should be able to tell what is moral and what is not, sadly the majority cannot.
are you still pretending that men are just naturally atavistic sink-holes of murderous depravity until such time as some learned philosopher/deity takes them by the hand and tells them how to live?D3PART3D wrote:Why would you want to care for them? I'm not saying you wouldn't, I just want to know understand why.
Yeah I understand it, it is rather difficult expressing what I mean.Trying to get behind the origins of morals without having the whole religion thing attached.lancelot wrote:Wiz, I am not talking about SA per se, but the world!
I have a few morals, I do not screw my sister for example, nor do I sell young girls into sexual slavery, I do battle both these temptations but shear will power keeps me away.
Bombay High Court Rules Astrology To Be a Science
Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday February 03, @12:58PM
from the magic-is-fun dept.
neosaurus writes
"In India, the Bombay High Court recently ruled astrology to be 'a time tested science more than 4000 years old.' Not only does this stretch the definition of science, it also reaffirms people's faith in pseudosciences at a broader level."
At least we can know for certain the people trying to get creationism taught as science in our schools have equally wacky friends around the globe.
Nonembryonic stem cells can't forget their past
By John Timmer | Last updated about 23 hours ago
Embryonic stem cells can potentially revolutionize the way we treat disease, providing a source of tissue to replace or repair a huge variety of disorders. In the US, however, funding of stem cell research has been limited by policy decisions and, once those decisions were reversed, a court ruling. In the intervening years, researchers developed what appeared to be a promising alternative, a technique that could push any adult cell into a state that appeared to be indistinguishable from an embryonic one. Unfortunately, researchers have now looked a bit more closely at these induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs), and found that they are distinct from embryonic ones, in part because they retain the imprint of their former, mature state.
sourceVATICAN CITY (Reuters Life!) – Pope Benedict has a soft spot in his heart for organ donations but his body parts can't be donated to save lives after he dies, the Vatican says.
A doctor in Germany had been using the fact that the pope possessed an organ donors' card from a medical association to advocate the practice. The Vatican asked him to stop but he did not.
To settle the matter, the pope's secretary, Monsignor Georg Gaenswein, sent a letter to the doctor and the missive was reported in the German program of Vatican Radio.
"It's true that the pope owns an organ donor card ... but contrary to public opinion, the card issued back in the 1970s became de facto invalid with Cardinal Ratzinger's election to the papacy," Vatican Radio quoted from the letter.