A thread not for the easily offended

cyberfox271 · Post by **cyberfox271** » 25 Nov 2010, 15:14

I don't wanna be whipped every morning

..that's not cool

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 25 Nov 2010, 15:20

what... what did i say?

i also endorse the daily whipping of anyone under the age of 30... this is a perfectly moderate and acceptable policy designed to re-introduce the concept of respect and careful forethought before acting like a spoiled 2 year old who's had his favourite toy removed for safekeeping....

i was also encouraged to learn that they were planning on introducing the spider-snake pit treatment, but that has been shelved. honestly, it's far less manual and provides much needed employment to spider-snake pit operators...

kids these days..

cyberfox271 · Post by **cyberfox271** » 25 Nov 2010, 15:32

I wanted to make myself a snake/spider pit, but a rattle snake got loose in the house and my dog disappeared...along with the rest of the family

Now where did i put the lid for that box of snakes...

jee · Post by **jee** » 27 Nov 2010, 12:46

Decided to post this here - although it should not offend the normal person

During the past century, though, a mutant form of math has deflected science’s heart from the modes of calculation that had long served so faithfully. Science was seduced by statistics, the math rooted in the same principles that guarantee profits for Las Vegas casinos. Supposedly, the proper use of statistics makes relying on scientific results a safe bet. But in practice, widespread misuse of statistical methods makes science more like a crapshoot.

It’s science’s dirtiest secret: The “scientific method” of testing hypotheses by statistical analysis stands on a flimsy foundation. Statistical tests are supposed to guide scientists in judging whether an experimental result reflects some real effect or is merely a random fluke, but the standard methods mix mutually inconsistent philosophies and offer no meaningful basis for making such decisions. Even when performed correctly, statistical tests are widely misunderstood and frequently misinterpreted. As a result, countless conclusions in the scientific literature are erroneous, and tests of medical dangers or treatments are often contradictory and confusing.

brilliant article

Bladerunner · Post by **Bladerunner** » 27 Nov 2010, 13:56

Yes statistical models are based on assumptions and sometimes contain extra parameters (or have some removed) if the senior statistician deems it necessary.

Wrong assumptions will lead to wrong results. No surprise there.

jee · Post by **jee** » 30 Nov 2010, 10:30

OK.. so i am in a bad mood. I seriously am tired of being sick, and even more irritated at my current status. This morning i read something Rattie posted.... and i'm afraid that if my Dr could see me, i would have been back in hospital cause i just saw red.

Not going to post the article, cause the main part of it deals with other issues that we have talked to pieces on this forum, round and round in circles.

What made me mad is that the Alaskan Planned Parenthood and largest provider of abortions are selling holiday gift certificates for services like abortion in a fundraising effort during a Jewish bazaar! How flippen tacky can one get? Plus other holiday gifts, like “I Had an Abortion” t-shirts. It makes me wonder if these people really understand how private an abortion really is, how hurtful it is when one makes that choice... arggghhh

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 30 Nov 2010, 10:37

That's capitalism jee...

Common decency takes a back seat because the focus is on the bottom line

Post by **KALSTER** » 30 Nov 2010, 10:43

What made me mad is that the Alaskan Planned Parenthood and largest provider of abortions are selling holiday gift certificates for services like abortion in a fundraising effort during a Jewish bazaar! How flippen tacky can one get? Plus other holiday gifts, like “I Had an Abortion” t-shirts. It makes me wonder if these people really understand how private an abortion really is, how hurtful it is when one makes that choice... arggghhh

I support abortion in certain circumstances, but that is just ridiculous. Where is the decency, the respect?

Prime · Post by **Prime** » 30 Nov 2010, 11:38

While I do think that is tactless, on the other hand, Half of American's are running around screaming about abortion being murder and probably wearing T-shirts in the same manner.

jee · Post by **jee** » 30 Nov 2010, 12:52

Oh yea, that wisdom that i have forgotten... two wrongs make a right.... hghmmf

jee · Post by **jee** » 04 Dec 2010, 11:51

Zombie walks, a zombie bookface... hmmm and they moan about furries...

Oh - want to be a ‘victim’? Register and get a giant ‘X’ on your back and you’ll get mobbed for sure by the horde. Have some fun and get your zombie on!

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 15 Dec 2010, 02:40

"YOU MAY BE A TALIBAN IF..."

1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor.

2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

3. You have more wives than teeth.

4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon "unclean."

5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

6. You can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against.

7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.

8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.

10. You've always had a crush on your neighbor's goat.

11. Your cousin is president of the United States.

jee · Post by **jee** » 16 Dec 2010, 12:29

http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/forb ... urt-rules/

wizardofid · Post by **wizardofid** » 22 Dec 2010, 21:17

Actually didn't know where to post this but this is good enough place as any.

Come xmas and the time surrounding it, I usually refrain from ripping out jugulars, but it is getting harder every year. Some how the gene pool has magically sprouted another back-stab-sit-in-front-of-the-church sob.

You know that person(s) the one(s) that lies without braking a sweat.The ones that tell you to give to others, then arrange a special xmas party for some kids of a local grade R school, but avoid the other one a few meters down the street, because their domestic workers little child is in the other school.

Then gets every one else to do all the work, and takes credit for arranging every thing.

Then writes a news paper article complaining about people with over loaded trolleys.Then kindly forgets about the people with the over loaded trolleys actually worked for the money and the bonuses they are spending.This local priest kindly tells us we are wrong for not wanting to help the people in our local location.

Yet half the time they cue to receive a pension grant for the 3 or more kids they have, yet they have a vague understanding of what being sober is.Yet the death rate last month due to HIV related sicknesses increased to 233 people and the fragile grand parents are left to feed them.

Have DSTV, flat screen tv's, double door fridges, and drive rather fancy cars.Well repossessing happens every other Monday.It's amazing to see how much that empty truck can load.

Then regularly come past to ask donations for the local soccer-wanna-be-team.

Well I drew the line a long long long time ago.I refuse to help any who drinks, or who buys stuff clearly they can't afford.The last time I helped a local homeless person the food was tossed into a corner.

I believe one should help those less fortunate than your self, it could be you in that same position.But why does it have to happen around xmas especially, and not the other 364 and a half days of the year.Help those who want to be helped

Clearly many moons ago the meaning xmas had been corrupted by corporations and advertisers and freaking naive narrow minded people who think by giving a xmas party to some kids and then excluding the other ones even more less fortunate than the parents that actually have to pay the day care center to look after their kids, some how magically makes them a superior being to your self.What about the rest of the year.?

Frankly I would love to give that person a piece of my mind, as well as kindly booting them out the door.

Sigh !

JollyJamma · Post by **JollyJamma** » 23 Dec 2010, 11:07

jamin_za wrote:"YOU MAY BE A TALIBAN IF..."

1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor.

2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

3. You have more wives than teeth.

4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon "unclean."

5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

6. You can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against.

7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.

8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.

10. You've always had a crush on your neighbor's goat.

11. Your cousin is president of the United States.

FWDed

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 23 Dec 2010, 13:02

as a follow on to that magic-chinese-mojo-bracelet nonsense:

latimes wrote:A simple sugar pill may help treat a disease — even if patients know they're getting fake medicine.
<..>
Half the patients were given a bottle with the word "placebo" printed on it. The pills it held, they were told, were like sugar pills. The patients were told they didn't even need to believe in the placebo effect, but had to take the pills twice daily.

The other half were given no treatment at all.

At the end of the three-week trial, 59% of the patients taking the placebo said their symptoms had been adequately relieved, far outstripping the 35% in the non-treatment group.

first off, the results sound purely subjective...

it's still amusing that close on 60% would have felt better taking magical smarties fondled by one of the FSM's noodly appendages... :/

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 28 Dec 2010, 08:24

sometimes i feel humanity is incapable of critical thought... too late to push the button?

jee · Post by **jee** » 28 Dec 2010, 08:46

and here i thought you were going to post the Muffin man....

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 28 Dec 2010, 09:05

jee wrote:i thought you were going to post the Muffin man....

if i could be reasonably assured i'd get away with it, (and avoid the pink-ness), i'd do it in a heartbeat...

jee · Post by **jee** » 28 Dec 2010, 09:08

oh just send it to me... I will do the posting,... i need something to feel offended about .....
I will make sure your blue will not become the new pink ...

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » 28 Dec 2010, 17:27

I can't decide if its serious or a troll. If it is serious, my believe in in people just dropped another 5 points, bringing it it -9.

On the other hand, lets add some constructive here, my idea is the following. Buy her some lesbian porn, then she can enjoy it and you too. A big 63 inch lcd with it is also a good idea. I prefer win-win situations.

rustypup · Post by **rustypup** » 28 Dec 2010, 18:11

it is such an obvious troll, (think landoverbaptists, etc), the respondents need to be institutionalized... :/

JollyJamma · Post by **JollyJamma** » 30 Dec 2010, 09:29

Why don’t you believe in God? I get that question all the time. I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless. People who believe in God don’t need proof of his existence, and they certainly don’t want evidence to the contrary. They are happy with their belief. They even say things like “it’s true to me” and “it’s faith.” I still give my logical answer because I feel that not being honest would be patronizing and impolite. It is ironic therefore that “I don’t believe in God because there is absolutely no scientific evidence for his existence and from what I’ve heard the very definition is a logical impossibility in this known universe,” comes across as both patronizing and impolite.

[UPDATE: For more from Gervais, go to Does God Exist? Ricky Gervais Takes Your Questions]

Arrogance is another accusation. Which seems particularly unfair. Science seeks the truth. And it does not discriminate. For better or worse it finds things out. Science is humble. It knows what it knows and it knows what it doesn’t know. It bases its conclusions and beliefs on hard evidence -- evidence that is constantly updated and upgraded. It doesn’t get offended when new facts come along. It embraces the body of knowledge. It doesn’t hold on to medieval practices because they are tradition. If it did, you wouldn’t get a shot of penicillin, you’d pop a leach down your trousers and pray. Whatever you “believe,” this is not as effective as medicine. Again you can say, “It works for me,” but so do placebos. My point being, I’m saying God doesn’t exist. I’m not saying faith doesn’t exist. I know faith exists. I see it all the time. But believing in something doesn’t make it true. Hoping that something is true doesn’t make it true. The existence of God is not subjective. He either exists or he doesn’t. It’s not a matter of opinion. You can have your own opinions. But you can’t have your own facts.

Why don’t I believe in God? No, no no, why do YOU believe in God? Surely the burden of proof is on the believer. You started all this. If I came up to you and said, “Why don’t you believe I can fly?” You’d say, “Why would I?” I’d reply, “Because it’s a matter of faith.” If I then said, “Prove I can’t fly. Prove I can’t fly see, see, you can’t prove it can you?” You’d probably either walk away, call security or throw me out of the window and shout, ‘’F—ing fly then you lunatic.”

This, is of course a spirituality issue, religion is a different matter. As an atheist, I see nothing “wrong” in believing in a god. I don’t think there is a god, but belief in him does no harm. If it helps you in any way, then that’s fine with me. It’s when belief starts infringing on other people’s rights when it worries me. I would never deny your right to believe in a god. I would just rather you didn’t kill people who believe in a different god, say. Or stone someone to death because your rulebook says their sexuality is immoral. It’s strange that anyone who believes that an all-powerful all-knowing, omniscient power responsible for everything that happens, would also want to judge and punish people for what they are. From what I can gather, pretty much the worst type of person you can be is an atheist. The first four commandments hammer this point home. There is a god, I’m him, no one else is, you’re not as good and don’t forget it. (Don’t murder anyone, doesn’t get a mention till number 6.)

When confronted with anyone who holds my lack of religious faith in such contempt, I say, “It’s the way God made me.”

But what are atheists really being accused of?

The dictionary definition of God is “a supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.” Included in this definition are all deities, goddesses and supernatural beings. Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities.

So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,” I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.

I used to believe in God. The Christian one that is.

I loved Jesus. He was my hero. More than pop stars. More than footballers. More than God. God was by definition omnipotent and perfect. Jesus was a man. He had to work at it. He had temptation but defeated sin. He had integrity and courage. But He was my hero because He was kind. And He was kind to everyone. He didn’t bow to peer pressure or tyranny or cruelty. He didn’t care who you were. He loved you. What a guy. I wanted to be just like Him.

One day when I was about 8 years old, I was drawing the crucifixion as part of my Bible studies homework. I loved art too. And nature. I loved how God made all the animals. They were also perfect. Unconditionally beautiful. It was an amazing world.

I lived in a very poor, working-class estate in an urban sprawl called Reading, about 40 miles west of London. My father was a laborer and my mother was a housewife. I was never ashamed of poverty. It was almost noble. Also, everyone I knew was in the same situation, and I had everything I needed. School was free. My clothes were cheap and always clean and ironed. And mum was always cooking. She was cooking the day I was drawing on the cross.

I was sitting at the kitchen table when my brother came home. He was 11 years older than me, so he would have been 19. He was as smart as anyone I knew, but he was too cheeky. He would answer back and get into trouble. I was a good boy. I went to church and believed in God -– what a relief for a working-class mother. You see, growing up where I did, mums didn’t hope as high as their kids growing up to be doctors; they just hoped their kids didn’t go to jail. So bring them up believing in God and they’ll be good and law abiding. It’s a perfect system. Well, nearly. 75 percent of Americans are God-‐fearing Christians; 75 percent of prisoners are God-‐fearing Christians. 10 percent of Americans are atheists; 0.2 percent of prisoners are atheists.

But anyway, there I was happily drawing my hero when my big brother Bob asked, “Why do you believe in God?” Just a simple question. But my mum panicked. “Bob,” she said in a tone that I knew meant, “Shut up.” Why was that a bad thing to ask? If there was a God and my faith was strong it didn’t matter what people said.

Oh…hang on. There is no God. He knows it, and she knows it deep down. It was as simple as that. I started thinking about it and asking more questions, and within an hour, I was an atheist.

Wow. No God. If mum had lied to me about God, had she also lied to me about Santa? Yes, of course, but who cares? The gifts kept coming. And so did the gifts of my new found atheism. The gifts of truth, science, nature. The real beauty of this world. I learned of evolution -– a theory so simple that only England’s greatest genius could have come up with it. Evolution of plants, animals and us –- with imagination, free will, love, humor. I no longer needed a reason for my existence, just a reason to live. And imagination, free will, love, humor, fun, music, sports, beer and pizza are all good enough reasons for living.

But living an honest life -– for that you need the truth. That’s the other thing I learned that day, that the truth, however shocking or uncomfortable, in the end leads to liberation and dignity.

So what does the question “Why don’t you believe in God?” really mean. I think when someone asks that they are really questioning their own belief. In a way they are asking “what makes you so special? “How come you weren’t brainwashed with the rest of us?” “How dare you say I’m a fool and I’m not going to heaven, f— you!” Let’s be honest, if one person believed in God he would be considered pretty strange. But because it’s a very popular view it’s accepted. And why is it such a popular view? That’s obvious. It’s an attractive proposition. Believe in me and live forever. Again if it was just a case of spirituality this would be fine.

“Do unto others…” is a good rule of thumb. I live by that. Forgiveness is probably the greatest virtue there is. But that’s exactly what it is -‐ a virtue. Not just a Christian virtue. No one owns being good. I’m good. I just don’t believe I’ll be rewarded for it in heaven. My reward is here and now. It’s knowing that I try to do the right thing. That I lived a good life. And that’s where spirituality really lost its way. When it became a stick to beat people with. “Do this or you’ll burn in hell.”

You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.

For me this is the end of all the arguments.

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 30 Dec 2010, 09:49

I might nominate Ricky Gervais for an epic win....

Website · Post by **hamin_aus** » 07 Jan 2011, 05:00

news.yahoo.com wrote:God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope

God's mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident, Pope Benedict said on Thursday.

"The universe is not the result of chance, as some would want to make us believe," Benedict said on the day Christians mark the Epiphany, the day the Bible says the three kings reached the site where Jesus was born by following a star.

"Contemplating it (the universe) we are invited to read something profound into it: the wisdom of the creator, the inexhaustible creativity of God," he said in a sermon to some 10,000 people in St Peter's Basilica on the feast day.

While the pope has spoken before about evolution, he has rarely delved back in time to discuss specific concepts such as the Big Bang, which scientists believe led to the formation of the universe some 13.7 billion years ago.

Researchers at CERN, the nuclear research center in Geneva, have been smashing protons together at near the speed of light to simulate conditions that they believe brought into existence the primordial universe from which stars, planets and life on earth -- and perhaps elsewhere -- eventually emerged.

Some atheists say science can prove that God does not exist, but Benedict said that some scientific theories were "mind limiting" because "they only arrive at a certain point ... and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality ..."

He said scientific theories on the origin and development of the universe and humans, while not in conflict with faith, left many questions unanswered.

"In the beauty of the world, in its mystery, in its greatness and in its rationality ... we can only let ourselves be guided toward God, creator of heaven and earth," he said.

Benedict and his predecessor John Paul have been trying to shed the Church's image of being anti-science, a label that stuck when it condemned Galileo for teaching that the earth revolves around the sun, challenging the words of the Bible.

Galileo was rehabilitated and the Church now also accepts evolution as a scientific theory and sees no reason why God could not have used a natural evolutionary process in the forming of the human species.

The Catholic Church no longer teaches creationism -- the belief that God created the world in six days as described in the Bible -- and says that the account in the book of Genesis is an allegory for the way God created the world.

But it objects to using evolution to back an atheist philosophy that denies God's existence or any divine role in creation. It also objects to using Genesis as a scientific text.

No thanks...

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