Arsenal's half-century denied by Man Utd

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 27 Oct 2004, 14:45

Explain yourself?

Garret · Post by **Garret** » 27 Oct 2004, 14:53

we're talking soccer, not insulting each other.

Funny - you support arsenal don't you.

Jokes

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 27 Oct 2004, 16:11

Send me your address, we can then chat about it!

Garret · Post by **Garret** » 27 Oct 2004, 17:35

I've pm'ed you.

You'e a moderator, right?

Chromium · Post by **Chromium** » 27 Oct 2004, 19:32

lancelot wrote:A short reply to the MU fans! Muwon the last game and won it well, enough said, I never realised how MU fans blindly believe that their team is the most sportsman like, well mannered and skilled team to have ever graced a football field.

Nobody ever said this about Man Utd - all football teams have their bad spots.

The fact of the matter is that Arsenal are blowing everything out of proportion.Regardless of the way in which Man Utd came to victory,the actions taken by Arsene Wenger(badmouthing the ref) and Ashley Cole (the soup throwing at Ferguson) cannot be justified.End of story!

As a MU fan,I will be blind and stupid if I look past the horrible things that the team are guilty of - but Man Utd did however not advance the matter with regards to the behind-the-scenes incidents.They kept it quiet.

The Arsenal behaviour is childish and uncalled for - there are other reasonable,more organised manners in which the controversies could have been handled.

Arsenal have achieved a phenomenal thing in 49 unbeaten matches - but sadly they're actions have,as it is quite clear,removed all the glory and shine that the great accomplishment has brought them

Garret · Post by **Garret** » 27 Oct 2004, 20:01

I agrea

brabham · Post by **brabham** » 27 Oct 2004, 22:16

As a man utd supporter (note I did not say fan) I have said it before and I will say it again, respect to arsenal for their long undefeated run. As a team I respect arsenal for their achievements and the quality of their football. Undoubtedly they are the biggest challengers to United in the premiership and their emergence as a force to be reckoned with was much needed in the premiership where teams like Liverpool have faltered in recent times.

These debates will always be around discussing the better of the two clubs. Its what football rivalry is all about. Its why Liverpool is the scorn of any United fan and why Leeds fans fear to set foot on Sir Matt Busby way without a police escort. As I said before the only team I truly dislike is Liverpool but this is more for the behaviour of their fans than the team itself because lets face it of late liverpool haven't been much of a threat.

Most Arsenal fans are somewhat more knowledgeable about football than scouse fans. As an Arsenal fan I think you should relish the abuse you're getting from United fans lately because it serves only to highlight the respect they hold for your club and the understanding of the threat they are to the long held domination of English football we have become accustomed to.

A word of advice to all Arsenal fans though:

18 League titles = 49 matches unbeaten = in the past

Dont tell me what you have done, show me what you can do.

Post by **neon_chameleon** » 27 Oct 2004, 22:35

Is it just me or am I getting a strong sense of déjà vu (PS. the french wording has no reference whatsoever to Thierry Henry, well ok, maybe a little) :

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Post by **Tel** » 28 Oct 2004, 07:14

I have to agree totally with brabham's speech. Both MU and Arsenal are great teams, and they will be remembered for different reasons. MU for the treble and Arsenal for their magnificient run, but it's in the past now. As the saying goes, "You are only as good as your last game". You really have to take it one game at a time.

newtonheath wrote:A true sportsman is humble in victory and gracious in defeat.

This is also very true. To be a true sportsman with true sportsmanship you have to be humble in victory and gracious in defeat. Even though I hate to admit it, but I've been very disappointed by Arsenal's reactions after Sunday.

The game is over, so accept defeat already.

lancelot mentioned about blindly following a team that you've never seen before, well I'm guilty of that, but at the same time, I've never been able to afford to go over to London and watch the Gunners. It is one of my goals though, to travel over to the UK and watch at least one game of Arsenal's.

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 28 Oct 2004, 09:02

Aaaah, brabham, the voice of sanity! I know you are are a true supporter of MU, Lord knows we have spoken to each other plenty of times in the past, the same with Envi!
I sincerely apologise for my remarks about watching Arsenal and following blindly. I am very sorry, it was both stupid and arrogant! It was the heat of the soup which by the way, for those of you who know your soup brands, must have been thrown by Sol Campbell! I was horribly dissapointed by the Arsenal behaviour, if the truth be known but in defense, may I add that it is the normal story, when a top team loses, all and sundry will only settle on the negative, the rubbish decision by the ref changed the whole complexion of the game and the Arsenal players could not cope with it. Any football supporter should surely be able to acknowledge this?
Please accept my apologies!

Garret · Post by **Garret** » 28 Oct 2004, 09:39

Freely given, freely accepted.

One thing is for sure - this is going to be a very interesting and hopefully exciting soccer season.

I heard that with supersport we have one of the best sports coverage in the world, and hey the springboks are touring next month as well.

Post by **Tel** » 28 Oct 2004, 11:24

Apology accepted lancelot :bigups:

brabham · Post by **brabham** » 28 Oct 2004, 17:02

Lancelot, I refuse to accept an apology that was not required in the first place.

If anything it is us Manchester United supporters that need to apologise for the poor behaviour of our favourite team on the pitch. All the off pitch shenanigans are just superfluous. I have always said sports professionals should be judged by what they do on the field, not by their off the field (read private) activities.

It is foolhardy to expect all sports men and women to be saints because quite simply they are not.

newtonHeath · Post by **newtonHeath** » 28 Oct 2004, 17:20

brabham wrote:Lancelot, I refuse to accept an apology that was not required in the first place.

If anything it is us Manchester United supporters that need to apologise for the poor behaviour of our favourite team on the pitch. All the off pitch shenanigans are just superfluous. I have always said sports professionals should be judged by what they do on the field, not by their off the field (read private) activities.

It is foolhardy to expect all sports men and women to be saints because quite simply they are not.

First of all Lancelot it i dont think its required to apologize cause all the banter between the fans is all part and parcil of the game. We all want our team to win.

brabham, i disagree with you. Private matters(like girlfriends etc) is all irelavent. However, when a manager makes comments like calling another player a cheat and then denies it and commenting abt the ref , is part of the game. Thats why Wenger has to explain to the FA his comments, abt the ref.

Chromium · Post by **Chromium** » 28 Oct 2004, 21:36

Yeah football is wierd - one of those sports where controversies,lies and rumours seem to more often than not flood the newspapers - others sports are quite "clean" and "mannered" it seems.

Or at least,the FA Premier league seems to be like this.

It truly all seems like a soapie with a bit of sport in between...(and sports)

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 29 Oct 2004, 09:35

Thanks to all of you for undersatnding! At least Arsenal's return to Manchester on Wednesday was more fruitful, a 2-1 win against City, won't tell you brabham calls them. The first one to an unbroken 50 victories!

Jedi_NAG_Bully · Post by **Jedi_NAG_Bully** » 29 Oct 2004, 09:57

brabham wrote:Lancelot, I refuse to accept an apology that was not required in the first place.

If anything it is us Manchester United supporters that need to apologise for the poor behaviour of our favourite team on the pitch. All the off pitch shenanigans are just superfluous. I have always said sports professionals should be judged by what they do on the field, not by their off the field (read private) activities.

It is foolhardy to expect all sports men and women to be saints because quite simply they are not.

Normally your comments make sence and are filled with wisdom.....the one above how ever is not.

Why should we as supporters appoligise.......is it wrong to want your side to win, the Arsenal supporters are crying about Uniteds Tactics....when did hard tackles become outlawed in the game....I have played football since I was 6 years old, and one thing you learn very quickly is that in this game, you will be kicked, it's how those players take it that defines there character and shows how good a player they can be, Ryan Giggs was targetted by the opposition hard men when he showed he was a promising talent, he is still playing, never once has he cried about tough takles, he takes them in his stide and gets on with it.

If you are reffering to the penalty that Rooney dived for........In tough games you look for any edge you can get, myself as a defender was tought 2 things when I was younger....either the ball or the man...not both and AVOID sticking your leg out late in the area, any contact no matter how minimal could lead to a penalty being awarded....sure the first and second rules conflict but you had to use your head on the field to know when they applied, why Campbell stuck his leg out late is the real mystery here, the ball had gone, he only has him self to blame, all this nonsence just reeks of Arsenals infamous double standards, it's ok if we do it....but if you do it your nothing but a bunch of desparate cheats....give me a break.

The game was hard, the only reason Arsenal havent had this from any other opposition is because they are to **** scared to play Arsenal at that type of game for fear of loosing by a bigger margain, so the cowards sit back and defend for 90mins, United proved it in last years FA cup and they proved it again at OT this season, to beat Arsenal you have to put in the hard challenges, because the Arsenal players cant take it, they cant adapt there game when hard challenges are flying in, and the drop their heads and cry to the ref for protection instead of adapting their game plan, if anything that tells me is that Wenger isnt the great tactition he pretends to be.....

And in ending, this isnt a slight on the Arsenal supporters here as some of them have proved to be quite intelligent when it comes to football, so be offended....but dont take it personally

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 29 Oct 2004, 10:53

To Jedi_NAG_Bully

brabham · Post by **brabham** » 29 Oct 2004, 11:02

LANCELOT is that your bottom-and-all?

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » 29 Oct 2004, 11:09

Hey brabham, you are so right, if I knew more I would have put some bottom text on it! Must work on that.

Jedi_NAG_Bully · Post by **Jedi_NAG_Bully** » 29 Oct 2004, 11:28

lancelot wrote:To Jedi_NAG_Bully

ROTFLMAO.......ok..I'll leave it at that....Im sorry I cant here's my reply :crazy:

brabham · Post by **brabham** » 29 Oct 2004, 11:46

Jedi_NAG_Bully wrote:Why should we as supporters appoligise.......is it wrong to want your side to win, the Arsenal supporters are crying about Uniteds Tactics....when did hard tackles become outlawed in the game....I have played football since I was 6 years old, and one thing you learn very quickly is that in this game, you will be kicked, it's how those players take it that defines there character and shows how good a player they can be, Ryan Giggs was targetted by the opposition hard men when he showed he was a promising talent, he is still playing, never once has he cried about tough takles, he takes them in his stide and gets on with it.

If you are reffering to the penalty that Rooney dived for........In tough games you look for any edge you can get, myself as a defender was tought 2 things when I was younger....either the ball or the man...not both and AVOID sticking your leg out late in the area, any contact no matter how minimal could lead to a penalty being awarded....sure the first and second rules conflict but you had to use your head on the field to know when they applied, why Campbell stuck his leg out late is the real mystery here, the ball had gone, he only has him self to blame, all this nonsence just reeks of Arsenals infamous double standards, it's ok if we do it....but if you do it your nothing but a bunch of desparate cheats....give me a break.

The game was hard, the only reason Arsenal havent had this from any other opposition is because they are to **** scared to play Arsenal at that type of game for fear of loosing by a bigger margain, so the cowards sit back and defend for 90mins, United proved it in last years FA cup and they proved it again at OT this season, to beat Arsenal you have to put in the hard challenges, because the Arsenal players cant take it, they cant adapt there game when hard challenges are flying in, and the drop their heads and cry to the ref for protection instead of adapting their game plan, if anything that tells me is that Wenger isnt the great tactition he pretends to be.....

Cheating is despicable! It is unacceptable no matter who does it!
Stamping on players is despicable! It is unacceptable no matter who does it!

I maintain that players should be judged on the field and not off it. Managers however, are not players (for the most part) and of course their comments/actions on or off the field are more prone to judgement.

As a player I dont believe you should be held accountable for your actions off the field. More often than not players are less than adequately educated since most of their time is spent playing football, especially the ones that make it to the top echelon of the game that is professional football in the premiership.

I have come to accept that both players and managers alike are sometimes out of their depth when dealing with the media and making comments in official press meetings. If you want a totally proffesional approach then players should be left to play and press releases should be left to the marketing consultants. Since we as fans want to hear all the in-depth, dirty, nitty-gritty, behind the scenes detail I think we should learn to accept that inter-mixed with this will come lots of media hype and related aggravation. Incidents like the by now infamous soup throwing saga will only dominate newspaper reports because as fans people want to read about it and hence it sells newspapers.

In my opinion these things dont need to be involved in the beautiful game because its giving the already tarnished name of football an even more bleak appearance. I seldom listen to any after match comments by so called experts because most of these experts are ex-footballers anyway. I prefer to make up my own mind and judge a player/match by what I have seen.

Mekker · Post by **Mekker** » 29 Oct 2004, 12:17

Manc Scum!!!

Jedi_NAG_Bully · Post by **Jedi_NAG_Bully** » 29 Oct 2004, 12:35

My problem is United fans giving into the whole Arsenal are better than United sentiment.....appoligise for beating them...NEVER, Arsenal fans werent quick to appoliges after there teams actions at the last battle of OT, they instead blamed Ruud for getting Viera sent off. Now please keep in mind Im not reffereing to any of you, as I didnt even know you lot then, but on other football forums the sentiment from the Arsenal crowd was that there teams behavious on that day was justified, cause the deemed what Ruud done as cheating....tell me if Rooney is responsible for cheating how come the FA havent called him up yet? you want to know why, cause in ever video clip of the incident, it was unclear of there was contact made by Sol on Rooney, in those situations the benefit of the doubt HAS to go to the attacking player. So for people outside to accuse Rooney of cheating, wake up and smell the score line...please, as for Ruud's over the top challenge on Cole, the only reason that was made such a big deal of is because Arsenal are know looking for an excuse as to why the lost the game, the lost because they werebt good enough on the day, dont confuse that statement with no good at all, beacuse thats not what Im trying to get across.....at the end of the day the ONLY dispicable thing Brabham is how the Arsenal people reacted after the game....talk about lack of sportmans ship!