Warning! Converting a CD to MP3 illegal in South Africa

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Warning! Converting a CD to MP3 illegal in South Africa

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http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/1 ... legal.html
Warning: Converting a CD to MP3 illegal in SA
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You spend R150 on a CD and want to listen to them on your MP3 player. There is a snag - it is illegal to convert a CD into MP3s.

It's no secret that the Recording Industry of South Africa (RiSA) has been fighting hard for the rights of musicians and publishers in South Africa. Part of that campaign is the StopPiracy.org.za website, which states that you may not “compress sound recordings to MP3s”.

This may come as a surprise to consumers who forked out anything between R100 and R200 for an original CD, and now wants to listen to this CD on their iPod or MP3 player.

When contacted for comment, RiSA representatives found and quoted the relevant pieces of legislation. Simply put, the Copyright Act of 1978 states, “You may not make a copy of a sound recording without the permission of the author.”

Dr Tobias Schönwetter from the Intellectual Property Research Unit at the University of Cape Town and legal lead of Creative Commons South Africa agrees with RiSA's interpretation.

“Our act allows the making of copies of musical works for private use, which, on the face of it, seems to declare legal the compressing of legally obtained CDs. However, CDs are not only 'musical works' but are also protected as 'sound recordings' - and a similar private use exception for sound recordings regrettably doesn't exist,” said Schönwetter.

This essentially means that you can’t ‘rip’ your CDs to any file format. “If you're ripping it from a disc you're making a copy,” says RiSA.

Andrew Rens, founding legal lead of Creative Commons South Africa, adds that you can compress a sound recording if you hold the copyrights to the sound recording. “You can also compress a sound recording if rights to the sound recording are in the public domain,” says Rens.

This raises the question how you could legally listen to your CDs on your MP3 player? The simple answer is: You can’t!

RiSA suggests that people should purchase the music in digital format despite the fact that they may already own the CD. “There are online stores where you can legally download MP3s,” RiSA responds. “Musica, Pick 'n Play, Nokia...”

What then about the more esoteric genres of music one might be able to find a CD of, but won't be able to download an MP3 of? To this RiSA could offer no solution.

“This clearly illustrates the need not just to reform copyright law but reform it in a progressive way that takes consumer's rights into account,” Rens said.
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So how many average South Africans do you think are actually going to care about this? It's not exactly something that is heavily enforced.
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If it is illegal - why does my iTunes software automatically convert any CD I play on my PC? One would assume that it wouldn't do something that is illegal.

I have heard that you cannot make copies of CDs to play in your car - to preserve the originals from being scratched. How are they going to police this? Are they going to confiscate my ipod and check whether I have purchased all the songs in .mp3 format? Why doesn't the music industry add a small surcharge to the price of the CD that would cover any mp3s that might be made from the disk? I do not listen to all the songs in mp3 format from a disk as I often don't like all the tracks. But I would not be opposed to paying a little bit more for the CDs when I buy them, if that would legally allow me to make mp3s from them.
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Tribble wrote:If it is illegal - why does my iTunes software automatically convert any CD I play on my PC? One would assume that it wouldn't do something that is illegal.
Presumably because it's not illegal in America, and to Americans nothing exists outside of America.
Tribble wrote:I have heard that you cannot make copies of CDs to play in your car - to preserve the originals from being scratched. How are they going to police this? Are they going to confiscate my ipod and check whether I have purchased all the songs in .mp3 format? Why doesn't the music industry add a small surcharge to the price of the CD that would cover any mp3s that might be made from the disk? I do not listen to all the songs in mp3 format from a disk as I often don't like all the tracks. But I would not be opposed to paying a little bit more for the CDs when I buy them, if that would legally allow me to make mp3s from them.
From what I gathered from Anakha's post, you CAN legally copy your CD for personal use, but you're not allowed to rip the music off into any other digital format.

I doubt very much that "they" are going to police this. We all know by now that South Africa is filled with legislation that no one bothers policing. I think there's some sort of competition running as to how much inane legislation you can get passed, regardless of whether or not you actually intend to police it.
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What if they start having mp3 raids? No longer looking for weapons, drugs, child porn but illegal mp3 conversions. What a world we live in.
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Just import the CDs you want. RiSA can't make claims on import CDs.
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Mmmmmmmm...................
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OK, so I'm allowed to copy the CD to my PC in the original .cda(?) format but not to compress it as a MP3.

Way to make criminals of all of us.

And since I'm a criminal already, why should I bother buying the original to start off with? O goody, music pirates have just been vindicated!
Stuart wrote:Just import the CDs you want. RiSA can't make claims on import CDs.
They're a member of the IFPI, so they probably will. :?
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doo_much wrote:
Stuart wrote:Just import the CDs you want. RiSA can't make claims on import CDs.
They're a member of the IFPI, so they probably will. :?
Import CDs surely have copyright holders already? I suspect they might cause a bit of a stink if RiSA tried to claim copyright on import CDs. I may be wrong.
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Stuart wrote:
doo_much wrote:
Stuart wrote:Just import the CDs you want. RiSA can't make claims on import CDs.
They're a member of the IFPI, so they probably will. :?
Import CDs surely have copyright holders already? I suspect they might cause a bit of a stink if RiSA tried to claim copyright on import CDs. I may be wrong.

I'm not going to take my collection of MP3's (all of whixh I have legal copies of CD's for!) to them to try and find out!

Interestingly my copy of Shakira's 'Laundry Service' can not be played on a PC and ripping it to MP3 via conventional means is impossible. So I can understand that ripping that would entail piracy.

As an aside. Luckily I don't enjoy South African 'artists' in general and this just gives me another reason not to sample their music to start off with. :lol:
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Tribble, at r200 a Cd, I think I am already paying enough. I don't want an additional charge.

Welcome to the end of local music. :? Hey, maybe we van get Julius tossed in jail by using this. :twisted:
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That really boils my blood :shock:

Seriously stupid, IMO. I think the aim of organizations like this, should be, to make the 'legal' route as attractive as possible. This is not, how its going to happen. I went on a quest to legitimize my music collection, and now all my MP3's (which is the only way I listen to my music) are illegal. What was the point, i might as well have downloaded all the music and have the same legal standing, without paying a single cent.
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Cupis wrote:What was the point, i might as well have downloaded all the music and have the same legal standing, without paying a single cent.
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I wonder if these people really want to stop piracy or promote it

Maybe anarchy is the way to go after all at least we wouldn’t have to deal with these type of idiotic laws
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CapNemo wrote:I wonder if these people really want to stop piracy or promote it

Maybe anarchy is the way to go after all at least we wouldn’t have to deal with these type of idiotic laws
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Cupis wrote:That really boils my blood :shock:

Seriously stupid, IMO. I think the aim of organizations like this, should be, to make the 'legal' route as attractive as possible. This is not, how its going to happen. I went on a quest to legitimize my music collection, and now all my MP3's (which is the only way I listen to my music) are illegal. What was the point, i might as well have downloaded all the music and have the same legal standing, without paying a single cent.
To be completely fair, it doesn't seem like they're deliberately trying to screw anyone over. They're saying that that's the way things are right now, but they seem to realise it needs to change.
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err... no.. their point was that you should pay for the same track twice... once, for the CD shuttle and once for the mp3 player...

the quote you've selected was the personal opinion of one of the respondents... not RiSA's - who's approach remains as retarded as ever with little indication that they're either able, or willing, to consider stepping into the digital age....
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Oops, misread there. :oops:
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This will not stop anything, I, for one, will go along merrily making whatever MP3 I want.
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lancelot wrote:This will not stop anything, I, for one, will go along merrily making whatever MP3 I want.
Thank god at least only you have to listen to the 60's and no one else gets tormented....
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How are the cops going to know if you purchased the album on Nokia music store or if you copied your CD with a copy protect on?
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Not checked - but the date of the file (and perhaps there is hidden data in the file that says which program converted it?)
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This is such an archaic law. And it will not be stopping me either.

What about the other way round? What if you buy your music digitally and write that to CD? Even with DRM, it still allows you to write a CD a certain number of times.
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Well, then 99% of the SA iPod carrying population is then criminals.
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yes. yes they are. criminally gullible...
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