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Re: What's killing the forum

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:smack:

Let's not be hating on homosexuality.

Alas, poor Jamin, I knew him not.

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Not hating on homosexuality just hating the player jamin... :P
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Anakha56 wrote:Not hating on homosexuality just hating the player jamin... :P
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Anakha56 wrote:
KatrynKat wrote:
hamin_aus wrote:Who is Jamin_ZA?
He sounds like a moffie....
no he's not!!!
he's a soft cuddly big teddy bear that doesn't mind if a little puppy licks his face after a night of jolly frolicking :D
Sounds moffie to me... :P
You took the words right out of my mouth! ;-)

jk* jamin :-)

* NO, that does NOT[/n] stand for Jedi Knight! ;-)
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Firestrm_ZA wrote:I can't believe I spent 5 minutes scanning this drivel...

Anyways. Point is PCF/GEAR has no interesting topics, no reason for people to frequent these forums anymore. Like any good product, you need a selling point. This forum doesn't have that anymore.

It's degenerated into a clique. And quite a boring one at that. I'm pretty sure its been over a year since I last posted anything other than spam here.

if nab and killerbyte would actually put more interest into this over that crummy facebook corner. and into an actual forum things would turn around. SELL YOUR IT/MAGAZINE KNOWLEDGE on this platform over the current social media platforms.

My forum uses twitter to announce downtime. thats it.

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Interesting topics ? Well yeah not any more :p This a family forum you know how tired I got of hearing that."No comments like that Mr, it's a family forum, blah blah blah whatever.That was the hint to move on, and when some one who was "into" another member gotten a rapping from me decided, you sir can't post the word screw as the context you used it in isn't suited to the forum, the retort would have been to go do some thing very deliciously with your self, because clearly your already had your head up there already....

Besides got little to loose by pointing out it isn't what killed the forum is who killed the forum ;) Frankly good riddance, but the damage is done, so back up slowly with your butt to the door and kiss it good bye.

As for this thread it's 5 years too late.

as a last comment, I love how every one tries to be politically correct and not point fingers, yes you ron and your old crony gang....
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wizardofid wrote:yes you ron and your old crony gang....
Ron's gone and me old & crony? :( I am only 30 you know... Plus jee is gone and lance so you are just left with a handful of mods & admins with Stu having the final say in all things forum content related.

Your comment about family forum is not decided by us the mods & admins but more the people hosting the forum, G3AR. They set the rules we enforce them, you have a problem with the rules contact them and get them changed.

Everyone thinks that they can do better and you know what once you get in here everyone will complain that you suck and cant do the proper job. At the end of the day no-one is perfect and without communication nothing will improve. To add to that no-one PM'ed me saying you know if you guys did things like this instead of like that things would be better instead you all complain and do nothing constructive which at the end of the day also makes you a part of the problem not the solution have fun with that thought...
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@ana

You know what, it was the favoritism, hell hath no fury like a admin drunk on power, any we did complain, and what did ron do shut up or feel the pain, power was abused, point period the end, mods were selected based, on how close friends they were in real life.

The fact that ron was still young, I mean really young at the time, and had no respect for others and the know it all attitude is what killed it for me.You step out of line by mentioning your heading in the wrong direction, you were silenced, the end.

In fact you were very quickly ganged up on if some thing like that happened. I was personally attacked by a mod because I took on his girlfriend at that time, ron actually stood up for the mod, editor of PCF couldn't care less.So yeah I have no problem pointing that out, jee and what transpired there is her business, couldn't care less and was actually glad and good riddance, as she became a stuck up sob.

Why is this coming out now, because I spend the better part of 7 years on here before leaving, actually made some good real life friends which I am still in contact with, and then it went all to hell, the moment ron took over, coincidence, I think not.

Having met ron in real life I know exactly the type of person he was and is and that same attitude and personality reflected online.You don't go visiting some on for a forum meet and sleep in till 12 pm, it's disrespecting...

anna every thing I have loved about this forum and it's people, was taken apart and beaten with a dead fish, and poked with a stick for good measure, so I am speaking my mind, and telling you exactly how much of a disgrace it was watching how things turned out.

No one person would dare speak up about any thing as that mend, a hammer in the face.

Ron had issues, and wasn't worth the admin title if written in gold, dealing with the forum software no problem, but he ain't no peoples person, never was....So there I publicly pointed out there were issues that needed to be addressed a long time ago, too late now.
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To the mod appointments actually that is incorrect. We had a whole debate and what it essentially boiled down to was time spent on forums and the understanding of the rules. But in going with the topic title this wont be a issue for a long time to come so we can learn from this one and move forward, any suggestions PM me and should we get back to needing more I will take your suggestions into consideration. Can't remember the last one but pretty sure the forum voted on the mods...

As for the others I hear you and can only say that sort of thing should not happen again purely because those people you are fighting with are gone well some of them. Now you have a golden opportunity... Rebuild the forum.

Instead of this stupid thread on "Whats killing the forum" why not a thread "Let's improve the forum" and rebuild?
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While I won't go into things regarding Ron2K, I'd like to point out the following:
wizardofid wrote:In fact you were very quickly ganged up on if some thing like that happened. I was personally attacked by a mod because I took on his girlfriend at that time, ron actually stood up for the mod, editor of PCF couldn't care less.So yeah I have no problem pointing that out, jee and what transpired there is her business, couldn't care less and was actually glad and good riddance, as she became a stuck up sob.
wizardofid wrote: Why is this coming out now, because I spend the better part of 7 years on here before leaving, actually made some good real life friends which I am still in contact with, and then it went all to hell, the moment ron took over, coincidence, I think not.
If that's what you think of jee, then clearly you haven't met her yet- and that is very sad indeed. She was one of the few members on this forum that made it worthwhile being here. This forum has netted me with some real life friends of my own, and I count jee among the best of them.
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SykomantiS wrote:While I won't go into things regarding Ron2K, I'd like to point out the following:
wizardofid wrote:In fact you were very quickly ganged up on if some thing like that happened. I was personally attacked by a mod because I took on his girlfriend at that time, ron actually stood up for the mod, editor of PCF couldn't care less.So yeah I have no problem pointing that out, jee and what transpired there is her business, couldn't care less and was actually glad and good riddance, as she became a stuck up sob.
wizardofid wrote: Why is this coming out now, because I spend the better part of 7 years on here before leaving, actually made some good real life friends which I am still in contact with, and then it went all to hell, the moment ron took over, coincidence, I think not.
If that's what you think of jee, then clearly you haven't met her yet- and that is very sad indeed. She was one of the few members on this forum that made it worthwhile being here. This forum has netted me with some real life friends of my own, and I count jee among the best of them.
You know the saying best foot forward, this applies here ;) jee was my favorite, I called her once or twice so yeah we were pretty close, she changed, a lot, I might add. her offline personality did not reflect online any more.

Lets not forget, she looked down on any one else, who don't not comply with her tastes and likes, I could dig up the threads if you really want to, besides who wants to scratch at old wounds again, simple so many behind the scenes stuff you don't know about bud, would gladly share it, but some of it is so hurting, and it isn't my place to tell the world.

As to anna yeah, I do pop in every now and again.My biggest problem or what most people often face with this forum, is the age difference as you grow older, and the younger generation comes in, the attitude of the younger ones causes a lot of friction.

Besides, you need to have a open debate as to what has gone wrong first to get a clearer picture, unfortunately you need to address the negative aspect first get it in the open, let people have their say, then start addressing issues, don't ignore there are 100's of people with bad experiences, it sounds messy and definitely going to flare up some tempers, but honestly if that is the case then you need to go else where, because your never going to fix things if you ignore people and keep on making excuses for you behavior and short comings on here on some else like the editor or the lack of software ect ect.

If there is one thing I learned is that, you need to speak up and speak your mind, with in limits of course...if it needs to be said I will say it, if I get silenced as a result, then honestly why waste my time staying here,which is exactly what I did, did pop in from time to time
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It doesn't sound to me like we're even talking about the same person. I still don't understand your point of view and I still disagree with it.
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Cool so dirty laundry aired... Next! ;) Quicker we can get this process done the quicker we can get back fixing the damn place...

BTW Agree with Syko I must...
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SykomantiS wrote:It doesn't sound to me like we're even talking about the same person. I still don't understand your point of view and I still disagree with it.
Look bud good on you standing up for a friend, regardless she isn't here any more, so meh who cares
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Everybody should care, actually. People are at the core of this problem. All of the grievances you've aired are after all, about people and their behaviour.

This forum needs people. Simple as that. People either aren't aware of, or don't care about the forum. Fix that and you'll fix the problem. Much of this, I think, is down to awareness. It is only my opinion of course, but I think the magazine should be playing a more active role here, at least in promoting the forum. I'll be honest, I don't buy the mag so I might be wrong here. Promote the forum, promote local events, promote the discussion of said events on the forum- member interaction.

You're not going to get technical expertise here- sure we have it, but you don't come here to solve your problem- you have the whole internet for that. What you need to be finding here is like-minded people. And not like-minded in the sense of we are all geeks or gamers. There are plenty of international forums like those around. Simply put, we need more people, who are part of a (the?) community, not just people who are forum members.
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@Syko I have requested we implement a system on the front page like mybb, every time you read an article it has the comment box as well as the link to the forum. No idea what the progress is on that side.
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What's happened has happened. The old guard have all moved on; some in a good mood, others not so much. wizard has some valid points, imo, but it's happened and there's little use crying over spilt milk. I get that he's trying to state his opinion on what happened in the past, but as Anabelle says, there's no point in worrying about what happened in the past if no focus is going into what can potentially happen in the future.
SykomantiS wrote:This forum needs people. Simple as that. People either aren't aware of, or don't care about the forum.
That said, I agree with this. And my opinion is that, largely speaking, forums are a quaint echo of a bygone era. As Sicko says, the community is what makes a forum, but if you have things like Facebook and all other forms of social media, general forums play very little role in daily life. You get specialised forums that continue to do well, but I do think that the change has been far more widespread than PCF.
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SykomantiS wrote:Much of this, I think, is down to awareness. It is only my opinion of course, but I think the magazine should be playing a more active role here, at least in promoting the forum.
100% agree. Without the magazine showing forum entries I never would have come here and become a member. HOWEVER as far as I understand it, the parent UK company told PCF SA to distance themselves from this forum as they have an official one in the UK. So PCF SA might not be able to promote this forum.
SykomantiS wrote:I'll be honest, I don't buy the mag so I might be wrong here.
Another stumbling block. How many people even read the magazine anymore? I know I haven't picked up a copy for about 7/8 years now.
SykomantiS wrote: You're not going to get technical expertise here- sure we have it, but you don't come here to solve your problem- you have the whole internet for that.
I am going to disagree with you here, slightly. This should be a place for technical expertise in the SA context.
SykomantiS wrote: What you need to be finding here is like-minded people. And not like-minded in the sense of we are all geeks or gamers. There are plenty of international forums like those around. Simply put, we need more people, who are part of a (the?) community, not just people who are forum members.
And I am agreeing with you again.
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GreyWolf wrote:
SykomantiS wrote:Much of this, I think, is down to awareness. It is only my opinion of course, but I think the magazine should be playing a more active role here, at least in promoting the forum.
100% agree. Without the magazine showing forum entries I never would have come here and become a member. HOWEVER as far as I understand it, the parent UK company told PCF SA to distance themselves from this forum as they have an official one in the UK. So PCF SA might not be able to promote this forum.
Yeah, problem is, we don't live in the UK. This does tie in nicely with the next part...
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SykomantiS wrote: You're not going to get technical expertise here- sure we have it, but you don't come here to solve your problem- you have the whole internet for that.
I am going to disagree with you here, slightly. This should be a place for technical expertise in the SA context.
... And I agree. Simplest way in my mind by example is the build threads. Because you want to know what will work, but also need to know if you're being ripped off on that price you got quoted, and no international forum will help you there- this however, falls in line with my view on the community aspect. What I meant by technical expertise is for example, any random problem you might have with a game crash or software issue- solutions to these are quite often found with a simple Google search.

Whilst on the subject of social media...
Stuart wrote:That said, I agree with this. And my opinion is that, largely speaking, forums are a quaint echo of a bygone era. As Sicko says, the community is what makes a forum, but if you have things like Facebook and all other forms of social media, general forums play very little role in daily life. You get specialised forums that continue to do well, but I do think that the change has been far more widespread than PCF.
I can see how it would impact on a forum in a negative way- if you have 3, maybe 5 participants in a conversation. Once you get a discussion going with even marginally more than 5 people, a forum is just a better more logical choice. It's what they are made for.
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I am going to disagree with you here, slightly. This should be a place for technical expertise in the SA context.
technical expertise, not so much, I had to go else where,I mean I am into Power supply units (PSU's) and there only a smaller margin than I don't know about them, done a few reviews too..that level of expertise is some thing you will not get here.

info giving here is mostly loosely on personal experience or an opinion or what you might have read once, wouldn't necessarily be the best option I am on a hardware classified forum, where the classified section is the predominant part, however the level of tech talk there is twice even 3 times what it is here, it is important to know of these things, because a hell of a lot of hardware changes hands there daily, people upgrade and down grade their rigs like toilet paper. So you need to know out of necessity.

That force isn't here...so no never was a forum with a large user technical base.

if you really want things awesome again with 200 people online daily, start running competitions like giving away a game code for steam a month, even if you have to set up a donation system, that directly pays for that.

Give people a reason to want to come here, even if it means giving them an incentive....

The best ever forum mod I saw that kept members busy and off spamming, was a live chat system on the main page, as well as a live feed.Does mean some moderation finally needs to take place.

Honestly a refresh is needed of some things.

PCF staff is going to be very opposed to this, but a forum donation system should be put into action, that allows, paying for hosting fees and forum upgrades.I mean they even have as subscription service , that members can take to get unlimited PM boxes, or just a supporter title badge underneath his user name.

If the powers that be don't want to, rather give them option and opportunity, for it to self sub stain it self....and a little more headroom what the user want and need.....they aren't profiting out of the forum, it would be probably be against their contract any ways, also not required to have a forum either.

a donation system is a nice step to get what users want and not cost the owners a cent.
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I think bring up the head count first before implementing a donation system.
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GreyWolf wrote:HOWEVER as far as I understand it, the parent UK company told PCF SA to distance themselves from this forum as they have an official one in the UK. So PCF SA might not be able to promote this forum.
I think that the UK licensing did play a part for a long time, but G3AR is its own baby now. The staff has much more liberty. Look at all the articles that appear on the main site. Those could all be linked here, even if there is material actually published in the magazine that can't.
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SykomantiS wrote:I'll be honest, I don't buy the mag so I might be wrong here.
Another stumbling block. How many people even read the magazine anymore? I know I haven't picked up a copy for about 7/8 years now.
Again, this is certainly an issue. The fact is, if the G3AR staff want the forum to fly (and the desire needs to come from them rather than us), they need to pull their readers in here. I doubt any of us is going to go out and ask people we know to join here. I really don't have a lot of friends outside of the forum who would be interested in an electronic entertainment forum. GreyWolf has no real friends at all. It's not going to happen.
SykomantiS wrote: You're not going to get technical expertise here- sure we have it, but you don't come here to solve your problem- you have the whole internet for that.
I actually agree here. It's been a helluva long time since I've had a technical question answered here. Let's be honest: Most of the technical questions that are answered here are simply done by someone googling a question that the asker is too lazy to do himself and then posting as if he has all the answers. Build advice is nice, I guess, but it gets a little old when every thread starts with, "Hay guise, I have R14.50 and I want all the latest tech so I can play games that the aliens are bringing from the future."

@wiz: I see a twofold issue with the subscription idea.

First, Carbonite uses vBulletin, which has far more interesting mods than phpBB. If you're going to go subscription, you really need to have the software for which it will work well.

Second, you really need someone heavily dedicated to tracking donations and taking the appropriate actions based on the donation made. I hear what you're saying, based on the Carbonite experience, but even there it's not exactly seamless. I've donated a couple of times, and I have yet to receive the donater badge there. I'm not going to ask for it, because it's not that important to me, and, at least according to the guidelines when I first donated, an admin is supposed to track it and apply the badge automatically. I would imagine that that takes a fair amount of work, which explains why it isn't being done consistently on Carbonite. Frankly, if the magazine staff isn't interested in being part of the community in the first place, what are the chances that a donation system will work well here? It might be a distant dream, but it would be dependent on a lot of other things happening first.
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Stuart wrote:GreyWolf has no real friends at all.
This is true. I spend most nights playing dress up with my pet rocks. I used to do it with my pet poodle but she died of excessive tear exposure.
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Stuart wrote:
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SykomantiS wrote:I'll be honest, I don't buy the mag so I might be wrong here.
Another stumbling block. How many people even read the magazine anymore? I know I haven't picked up a copy for about 7/8 years now.
Again, this is certainly an issue.
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GreyWolf wrote:excessive tear exposure.
I'm interested to know how you're pronouncing "tear" right now.
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Stuart wrote: I'm interested to know how you're pronouncing "tear" right now.
You would be, you sicko.
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