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A court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website. They were also ordered to pay 30m kronor (£2.4m) in damages.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm
According to this translated press release posted on Sweden's National Museum of Science and Technology website, the institution has acquired one of the original servers used by the BitTorrent tracker site, The Pirate Bay. The server--which the institution actually bought from The Pirate Bay for 2,000 kronor ($243 USD)--is now planted firmly in the "Inspiration Imitation" display located in the Technical Museum. The display focuses on the importance of patent protection, trademark protection, design protection and copyright, and discusses their importance in today's society.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Pirate-Bay- ... -3795.html
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jee wrote:A court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website. They were also ordered to pay 30m kronor (£2.4m) in damages.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm
According to this translated press release posted on Sweden's National Museum of Science and Technology website, the institution has acquired one of the original servers used by the BitTorrent tracker site, The Pirate Bay. The server--which the institution actually bought from The Pirate Bay for 2,000 kronor ($243 USD)--is now planted firmly in the "Inspiration Imitation" display located in the Technical Museum. The display focuses on the importance of patent protection, trademark protection, design protection and copyright, and discusses their importance in today's society.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Pirate-Bay- ... -3795.html
Pah, even if they are jailed, it's not gonna stop anyone from using torrents.
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shiv wrote: Pah, even if they are jailed, it's not gonna stop anyone from using torrents.
What a frightfully nice young man....^^
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jee wrote:
shiv wrote: Pah, even if they are jailed, it's not gonna stop anyone from using torrents.
What a frightfully nice young man....^^
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jee wrote:
shiv wrote: Pah, even if they are jailed, it's not gonna stop anyone from using torrents.
What a frightfully nice young man....^^
I'm just reacting to the quote that this will teach people a lesson, or something like that.
I hate it when these authorities get so.... annoying, especially when they know nothing about technology.
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shiv wrote:especially when they know nothing about technology.
coming from the resident m$ sycophant, you'll understand why this comment elicited a guffaw on my part...

I have my doubts as to whether it will stick.. :/

until that magical day when developers are given free reign to hunt down and exterminate the free-loading scum using TPB, i'll sit here polishing my shiv....
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shiv, then you must be getting very upset with Obama who is filling his cabinet with RIAA lawyers...
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the french are apparently less than chuffed with obama :lol:

probably because he wants them to stop nuking tropical islands...
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rustypup wrote:
shiv wrote:especially when they know nothing about technology.
coming from the resident m$ sycophant, you'll understand why this comment elicited a guffaw on my part...

I have my doubts as to whether it will stick.. :/

until that magical day when developers are given free reign to hunt down and exterminate the free-loading scum using TPB, i'll sit here polishing my shiv....
shiv wrote:especially when they know nothing about technology.
I don't refer to the MS vs *nix argument. :P
I mean that authorities are usually very dumb, they don't understand technology can be abused.
For instance, this high level idiot was trying to control MXit, because inappropriate messages were been forwarded by users.
rustypup wrote:until that magical day when developers are given free reign to hunt down and exterminate the free-loading scum using TPB, i'll sit here polishing my shiv....
You can keep polishing that shiv... :wink:
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jee wrote:shiv, then you must be getting very upset with Obama who is filling his cabinet with RIAA lawyers...
nah, a little peeved maybe when things like this happen, but still, it won't stop, pointless efforts. :lol:
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I suppose Pirate Bay will still "win" - this will make them martyrs... Just like Josh Tanenbaum. I see that the appeal court has put a big no-no on the approval of a trial judge that would have allowed some courtroom proceedings to be streamed live over the Internet.

puppi, Obama supports rather large payouts for music copyright infringements....
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I'll confess to having been a *pirate* until rather recently (hence the large amounts of time I'm now spending on the PCF forums) and I'll tell you the variety of concent available is alarming to say the least. To bring DRM into the picture, pirates are largely unaffected. At best a new DRM system will only delay a crack for a newly released game by a few days or maybe one week. You will probably say: "You're lying, you're probably still downloading pirated software, games, music etc.. And if you aren't, you're still using it." But, tbh I did actually bin all the DVD's I had containing illegal content, and I now only have content that I legally own. The thing that swayed me away from piracy is my religious beliefs as a Christian and the morals that go with it. In every sense of it, piracy is stealing. You can either steal the hardcopy DVD from a shop, you can rent a DVD from a video shop and copy it to your hard drive. Or you can download the DVD from somebody else, who has already stolen it. It all comes down to the same thing. There's nothing that can excuse it.
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alliesmeister wrote:I'll confess to having been a *pirate* until rather recently (hence the large amounts of time I'm now spending on the PCF forums) and I'll tell you the variety of concent available is alarming to say the least. To bring DRM into the picture, pirates are largely unaffected. At best a new DRM system will only delay a crack for a newly released game by a few days or maybe one week. You will probably say: "You're lying, you're probably still downloading pirated software, games, music etc.. And if you aren't, you're still using it." But, tbh I did actually bin all the DVD's I had containing illegal content, and I now only have content that I legally own. The thing that swayed me away from piracy is my religious beliefs as a Christian and the morals that go with it. In every sense of it, piracy is stealing. You can either steal the hardcopy DVD from a shop, you can rent a DVD from a video shop and copy it to your hard drive. Or you can download the DVD from somebody else, who has already stolen it. It all comes down to the same thing. There's nothing that can excuse it.

lol i agree with you but i wont go so far to delete my mp3s or throw away my pirated old school games though i buy my originals (as i got money now) i still download mp3s :oops: and anime
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especially for all the iFools out there :P
ars technica wrote:Rightsholders can't understand why people who bought DRMed music only to have the authentication servers go dark might demand the right to crack the DRM. Big Content believes the idea that rightsholders "are required to provide consumers with perpetual access to copyrighted works" is laughable.
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"We reject the view," he writes in a letter to the top legal advisor at the Copyright Office, "that copyright owners and their licensees are required to provide consumers with perpetual access to creative works. No other product or service providers are held to such lofty standards. No one expects computers or other electronics devices to work properly in perpetuity, and there is no reason that any particular mode of distributing copyrighted works should be required to do so."

This is, of course, true, but that doesn't make it any less weird. The only reason that such tracks are crippled after authentication servers go down is because of a system that was demanded by content owners and imposed on companies like Wal-Mart and Apple; buyers who grudgingly bought tracks online because it was easy accepted, but never desired the DRM. To simply say that they are "out of luck" because they used a system that the rightsholders demanded is the height of callousness to one's customers. While computers and electronics devices do break down over time, these music tracks were crippled by design.
:shock: the phrase draconian springs to mind...

sounds not entirely dissimilar to:
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Piracy v privacy = if you don't suspect someone is it ok to invade their privacy?



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Wow, Is that with or without a search warrent?
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sounds like without a search warrant...
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jee wrote:Piracy v privacy = if you don't suspect someone is it ok to invade their privacy?
Invasion of Privacy right there. Doesnt the US have something in their Bill of Rights about Privacy?

Well all is what I can say to them is: TrueCrypt. Have a nice day trying to crack that...
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Anakha56 wrote:Well all is what I can say to them is: TrueCrypt. Have a nice day trying to crack that...
Well all I can reply is you are more naive than you appear to be :P

TrueCrypt containers can be cracked using simple dictionary-based attacks. You can download commercial software to do it.
Now, granted, your 29 character alphanumeric password would take months to crack on a desktop, but the US government has access to what we call "Super-Computers" and "Distributed Processors" and these things crunch numbers much quicker than a desktop.

They'll be looking at your collection of gay furry images and Simpson's incest fan fiction inside of a few days.
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Not if you use the hidden volume option ;). With that going plus certain other special options they would have a problem methinks. But then chances of me going to the states is slimmer than Paris Hilton... :?
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Anakha56 wrote:Not if you use the hidden volume option ;).
They have cracked that as well.
Do a Google and you will see a security firm in Europe has found out how to detect hidden TrueCrypt volumes.
They say the latest versions close this loophole, but...
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jamin_za wrote:
Anakha56 wrote:Not if you use the hidden volume option ;).
They have cracked that as well.
Do a Google and you will see a security firm in Europe has found out how to detect hidden TrueCrypt volumes.
They say the latest versions close this loophole, but...
Now you have given me some homework, did not realize that the hidden volume is detectable :shock:. Thanks for the heads up, will definitely need to read up some more.
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cnet wrote:Songwriters, composers, and music publishers are making preparations to one day collect performance fees from Apple and other e-tailers for not just traditional music downloads but for downloads of films and TV shows as well. Those downloads contain music after all.

These groups even want compensation for iTunes' 30-second song samples.
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these royalty-collection groups say they're at the bottom of the music-sector food chain and aren't trying to gouge anyone.
excellent... someday, soon, you will be footing a bill to pay for the unsolicited advertising you're being accosted with... :lol: sounds like something messrs pratchett and gaiman would have dreamed up for a gag, if they weren't being so darn serious...
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jamin_za wrote:
TrueCrypt containers can be cracked using simple dictionary-based attacks. You can download commercial software to do it.
Now, granted, your 29 character alphanumeric password would take months to crack on a desktop, but the US government has access to what we call "Super-Computers" and "Distributed Processors" and these things crunch numbers much quicker than a desktop.
I doubt that our banana government would have access to super computers, it would take them 17 years to crack my 5 digit password with their pentium 1 computers
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japie_my_skapie wrote:I doubt that our banana government would have access to super computers, it would take them 17 years to crack my 5 digit password with their pentium 1 computers
I am sure that if the government wanted to arrest you, they would not need your 5 digit password. I'm positive you have tonnes of pirated media strew all over the palce they could seize.
You probably only password protect your porn and whatever other stuff you don't want your parents to see.
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