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You have to have an idea what frequency/range etc you want to jam. Is it communication in the radio spectrum, IR, microwave :?:

Also I believe the drones often have a flight path preprogrammed in so that if it loses contact with home base it can either to try to complete the mission if it's surveillance or turn around and fly back if it's combat.
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pravda.ru wrote:Russia's Sukhoi PAKFA T-50 loses competition without battle

Russia's Sukhoi PAKFA T-50 fifth-generation fighter jet did not struggle with Western rivals for South Korea's lucrative tender of $7.3 billion. First off, Russia is not willing to share its secret technologies with US allies. Secondly, Russia does not hope for victory. To crown it all, the serial production of the widely advertised T-50 fighter jet has not been arranged yet, officials with the domestic aviation industry told Izvestia.

South Korea intends to purchase 60 new fighter jets within the scope of the third stage of its F-X rearmament project. The new jets will be defending the airspace of South Korea during the forthcoming 30 years.

The deal has already earned the reputation of the "contract of the century." The scale of the deal is unexampled for the country. The organization committee of the tender stopped receiving bids last week. It turned out that there would be European and US companies fighting for the Korean billions. It particularly goes about Europe's EADS Concern with its Eurofighter Typhoon, Sweden's SAAB and its Gripen and two US companies - Lockheed Martin with F-35 (Lightning II) and Boeing with F-15SE (Silent Eagle).

However, it turns out that the Russian aircraft by the United Aircraft Corporation was not going to offer its products for the tender.

"The T-50 technologies are secret. Only three test versions of the fighter have been built so far. The export variant has not even been created. In addition, South Korea is a US ally. It does not seem to be likely that the country will choose the Russian jets instead of the American ones," officials told The Izvestia newspaper.

Alexander Konovalov, the director of the Institute for Strategic Analysis, is certain, though, that Russia is not ready yet to present a competitive fifth-generation fighter jet to experts.

"We only begin our work in this field. At international tenders, they set forth very high requirements to aircraft. They are supposed to be able to accept and process a great deal of information. They should have powerful computers on board. What is more, such aircraft must develop ultrasonic speed and stay invisible to radars," the specialists list.

"For example, to make their aircraft less detectable to radars, the Americans cover their fighter jets with small copper rings. We do not have anything like that," the expert said.

The T-50 became a Russian response to USA's F-22 and F-35 fifth-generation fighters. The test flights of the US aircraft are to be completed in 2012. Afterwards, in 2013, Russia will launch the tests of new missiles of the new jets.

Igor Korotchenko, the director of the Center for the Analysis of World Arms Trade, believes that Russia's T-50 project does not need the financial support from South Korea.

"Russia is expecting a large contract with India. India has already contracted 250 T-50 fighters. Therefore, the technical loss of those hypothetical $7.3 billon is not critical for the Russian project. We've already participated in South Korean tender before. As experience showed, the country prefers to purchase from the Americans," the expert stated.

Indeed, it appears that South Korea has already chosen its customer - the USA that is. South Korean MBN TV channel reported that Seoul had paid $1 million for the documentation on one of the competing airplanes - F-35. The payment was made prior to the tender. This information may mean that the political decision to purchase the fighter jets from the United States has already been made. Defense experts realize, though, that Eurofighter Typhoon could also be a serious competition.

Russia took part in the tender for the fighter jet for the Air Force of South Korea in 2002. Russia's Su-35 lost the tender to F-15 of the USA. It is worthy of note that Seoul has purchased military hardware from Russia before. The South Korean army has T-80 tanks and BMP-3 armored vehicles.

US, European and Russian companies previously participated in the Indian tender for the delivery of a multi-purpose fighter jet within the scope of the MMRCA program. Russia took part with its MiG-35 fighter, although it did not win the tender.

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So they didn't bother to tender because they knew they wouldn't win. Well done Ruskies.
Just one thing tho... They dont want to sell to Korea because they are US allies, but they will sell to India?
Traditionally India has been a fan of Russian planes, diplomatically I would say they are much more aligned with the US than Russia...
I think Russia just knows that it's incomplete and largely untested design just doesn't offer what the almost ready F-35 does to a buyer looking for planes right now.

Although from what I have read of the PAK-FA, it will be more than a match for the F-35, Eurofighter and any F-15 variant. The problem is it will only see service in 2015
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http://www.dailytech.com/Lockheed+Marti ... e24025.htm
Lockheed Martin Unveils New F-16V to Complement F-35, F-22
Shane McGlaun (Blog) - February 16, 2012 9:26 AM

New version of the fighter gets radar improvements and more

The Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon has been around for over three decades and so far there have been nearly 4,500 delivered. The F-16 will continue for many years to come and Lockheed Martin has today unveiled a new version called F-16V. The new version of the fighter jet was unveiled at the Singapore Airshow and has new feature enhancements to make the aircraft more formidable.

The F-16 V gets new active electronically scanned array radar (AESA), an upgraded mission computer and architecture, along with improvements inside the cockpit. Lockheed Martin says that all of those new features are things that have been identified by the USAF and international buyers as needing improvement. The AESA radar promises significant capability improvements for the aircraft and Lockheed Martin has developed a solution to affordably retrofit the new radar to existing F-16s.

The new F-16V configuration is now an option for new production aircraft with most elements of the upgrade available for earlier F-16s. The V designation comes from Viper, which is the nickname pilots have given the F-16 since it entered service.

“We believe this F-16V will satisfy our customers’ emerging requirements and prepare them to better interoperate with the 5th generation fighters, the F-35 and F-22,” said George Standridge, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics’ vice president of business development.

Today 26 different countries fly the F-16 and it is hailed as the world's most successful fourth-generation fighter. The upgraded AESA radar will also help F-16V to be more interoperable with fifth-generation fighters like the F-35 and F-22. The USAF is reportedly interested in upgrading between 300 and 350 of its F-16s to the new version.

Lockheed Martin has an order from Iraq that is large enough to keep F-16 production line open until the end of 2015; after that it needs additional orders to keep F-16 production going into 2016.

Sources: Lockheed Martin, F-16.net, flight global
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http://gizmodo.com/5886600/the-f+35-sho ... -time-ever
The F-35 Shows Its Missile Teeth for the First Time Ever

America's F-35 may not be very useful, but it's still, on paper, one hell of an aerial destruction machine. This freshly-released image from the F-35's first-ever weapons test shows the punch it'll pack.

Well—the kind of punch it'll pack if it's ever used for anything more than tests and photographs. The load up top included a nice variety of ordnance:
The weapons load for this mission involved carrying two air-to-air A IM-9X missiles on the outboard wing stations. In addition, the F-35 carried two internal 2,000-pound guided bombs (GBU-31) and two advanced medium range air-to-air missiles (AIM-120) inside the two internal weapon bays. No weapons were delivered during the mission. The jet also had mounted four external pylons that can carry 2000-pound air-to-ground weapons.
Between those air-to-airs and the GBU-31—used for laser-targeted base busting—the F-35 packs enough for either dogfighting or ground war.

And that's only part of the jet's potential: it's (supposedly) capable of flying with a full 18,000 pounds worth of explosives—some of them tucked away inside internal bays to boost stealth powers.
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The F-35 Shows Its Missile Teeth for the First Time Ever
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You can have the F35 in 2 variants.

Stealth or Armed... but not both at the same time
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GreyWolf wrote:Stealth or Armed... but not both at the same time
Agree'd

Weapon hardpoints on the wing of a 5th gen "Stealth" fighter... the mind boggles...
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Weapon hardpoints on the wing of a 5th gen "Stealth" fighter... the mind boggles...
The internal bay is of course limited in size, but it exists. Is the internal bay any larger or bigger than the F22 bay? As far as I know, the fastening points can be removed. They are only necessary when stealth is perhaps not that important to the mission and increased weaponry is required. I don't think it was supposed to or even could be any different without a huge advancement in missile and bomb tech.
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If stealth isn't required, send in F-18's

The ONLY time wing hardpoints should be used by the F-35 and F-22 is on long range missions where they need to carry extra fuel, and those should be dumped just before they enter the enemies radar

The F-35 has a bigger internal weapons bay because it was designed to carry 2 1000lbs JDAM bombs and 2 air to air missiles internally
The Raptor can carry those same 2 JDAMs but then there is no room for missiles, it can however also carry 2 450lbs JDAMs and 4 missiles

In pure air-to-air spec, the F-22 can carry 8 missiles internally while the F-35 can only carry 2 as it's bomb bays aren't dual purpose and cant hold missiles like the Raptors.
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In pure air-to-air spec, the F-22 can carry 8 missiles internally while the F-35 can only carry 2 as it's bomb bays aren't dual purpose and cant hold missiles like the Raptors.
Major disadvantage there.

I know that (again) dogfights are supposed to be a thing of the past, but if the F-35 ever gets into that kind of close combat situation where stealth is of little benefit, those shortcomings might be severe.
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KALSTER wrote:I know that (again) dogfights are supposed to be a thing of the past
That's what people keep saying but it's not true.

Standard US (and Russian) procedure in air to air combat, even in a war zone is to get a visual confirmation on a plane before firing on it.
If there are no eyes on the ground or drones in the sky to visually confirm, a US pilot will have to go WVR to make the kill - and against a modern Russian jet like the Su-35 a dogfight would not be easy.
If the F-35 pilot had any sense he'd approach from above, below or behind using his stealth to stay hidden from sensors so he could get the first visual, which would mean the enemy would only know he was in a fight when his missile lock alarm goes off

Countries like China and Best Korea are less circumspect about visual confimation, but they regularly shoot down errant passenger jets, so... :idea:
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http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-blo ... ew-bomber/
U.S. Getting a New Bomber By David Axe
February 27, 2012

The U.S. Air Force is making progress on a new long-range bomber, Air Force Secretary Michael Donley said at a trade conference in Florida last week. “There’s a competition,” Donley said, according to DoDBuzz.

“The program is underway, the requirements, the cost parameters have been set by the Secretary of Defense and we’re executing in that direction…we’ve identified the target delivery for the mid ‘20s.”

The Air Force has been working on a bomber since 2006, according to most reports, with the aim of first complementing then replacing the existing fleet of 150 B-52, B-1 and B-2 bombers, the oldest of which date from the early 1960s. Then-U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates suspended the bomber development in 2009, citing out-of-control cost and technical ambition.

But Gates’ successor, Leon Panetta, revived the bomber work as part of the Pentagon’s “strategic pivot” towards the Asia-Pacific region, whose long distances pose huge problems for military planners – and play to the strengths of heavy bombers. The so-called “Long-Range Strike Bomber” is meant to be stealthy, capable of carrying nuclear weapons and “optionally-manned,” meaning it can be remotely flown without a pilot on board.

Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed are all competing for the Long-Range Strike Bomber contract. The fleet of up to 100 new bombers is expected to cost at least $55 billion over the next 20 years.
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55 billion for unmanned B-2 Spirits :?: :?: :?:
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Just for hamin... :lol:

http://gizmodo.com/5889737/top-gun-2-is ... doesnt-fly
Exec: Top Gun 2 Is Real and Stars a Plane That Doesn’t Fly (Updated: Drunken Confirmation)
A Lockheed engineer is probably the last person you'd expect to break the news of a Hollywood mega-blockbuster sequel, but here we go! Flightglobal is reporting Top Gun 2 is not only happening, but starring Tom Cruise (!) as an F-35 pilot. Ha!

The bizarre news, centered around a movie that doesn't even have an IMDB page and a broken airplane, is taking a little bit to process here. The first question: what will Tom Cruise do? Stand on a runway, staring at his grounded F-35? Will the F-35 be a metaphor for some kind of personal growth? Is the Tom Cruise Lockheed is talking about the same Tom Cruise? Will he fix all of the plane's electrical problems to get the girl?

The film, if it does hit production next month as Tom Burbage, Lockheed Martin F-35 program manager claims, the writers will have an even greater challenge than the plane's engineers—you can only make a defective, trillion-dollar paperweight so exciting. I can see it now: Maverick is sitting, Four Loko lodged into his beer gut, watching the air war of Libya thunder away, as his F-35 sits outside under a tarp. Fade to black. Begin volleyball scene. Val Kilmer looks better than ever. Chests glistening like so many unused guided bombs. OFFRAMP TO THE SAFETY ZONE. [Flightglobal]

Update: Gizmodo pal Andrew writes in with the following non-official corroboration:
I think the story about the TOP GUN2 movie being produced is correct. I met a girl out a Dallas night club who told me her father was a Dallas movie writer. She said her dad was a writer working on a project and then asked if I remembered the movie TOP GUN. I know this may sound crazy but she told me her dad was Don Ferrarone. Curiously I looked into IMDB and it looks like her sister is credited in a few films too. CRAZY, I didn't know if it was a night of just drunken talk but it seems very possible.

PS: Oh btw she wrote her info on my phonebook as "Dallas movie writer" When I asked why, she told me so I won't forget her.
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http://gizmodo.com/5897951/f+22-failure ... ve-no-clue
F-22 Failure Investigation Results: ‘We Have No Clue’
After spending seven months in costly research, the Air Force scientific board investigating the F-22 life support system failure has turned in their conclusions. The findings: they have no idea about what's going on. The USAF's press release reads like a joke to American taxpayers.
The investigation board, lead by retired General Gregory Martin—aviator and former commander of two major commands—went through each of the 14 physiological incidents in the F-22 fleet. Those incidents led to the grounding all of the 187 $150 million aircraft multiple times.

After seven months, the board found the root cause in four cases. According to Martin, the source of the problem remains unknown in the other ten:
We were unable to determine a root cause, but we were able to put in place the proper safety measures and risk mitigation techniques that would allow the F-22 fleet to return to fly...to ensure the integrity of the life support system.
Translation: we don't have a clue about what's happening, but we think these patches may solve whatever the hell this is.

The USAF claims that their 14 recommendations will stop the problem from happening again. These recommendations are related to "the acquisition processes and policies, the organizational structure recommendations and equipment recommendations to not only protect the pilots and crew members today but also for the future." It sounds like the USAF will need to spend more money in new equipment to solve something they don't clearly know about. Something fundamental to the plane like the life support system, which should have been working flawlessly for years now.

More money to burn in a plane that has never seen combat.

More intriguing is this part of their press release:
The Air Force is well into the implementation phase of the recommendations from the SAB team and continues to aggressively pursue the root cause of these unexplained incidents [Maj. Gen. Charles Lyon, Air Combat Command Director of Operations] said.

[...]

We have taken a 9-1-1 call approach. We have instructed and talked to our members in the field; whenever you get any indication that something may not be right, knock it off, the flying equivalent of calling 9-1-1 and terminate the flight. All eyes are focused on you and the safe recovery of your aircraft.

When a physiological event occurs, the pilot is met by a medical team to care for the pilot and take additional tests and send the tests to the lab, and so far nothing remarkable has come back from the lab tests we've analyzed, he said.
Translation: we are flying these birds and keeping our eyes open, praying that nothing else happens. And if i does, we will ground the plane and try to solve it.

Yet, Major General Noel "Tom" Jones, Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, Plans and Requirements, has the guts to declare that "this aircraft is the world's most advanced aircraft and does air superiority mission unlike any other aircraft in the world. This is the leading edge of technology, and if our nation needs a capability to enter contested airspace to deal with air forces that are trying to deny our forces the ability to maneuver without prejudice on the ground; it will be the F-22 that takes on that mission."

Perhaps the General has a different idea of what is the "world's most advanced aircraft." While the F-22 is an amazing plane, it's not going to be very useful if the oxygen supply fails in the middle of a combat.

If it ever flies in combat, that is.
The plane is so advanced that it cannot be fixed. Maybe there are aliens making planes in Area 51? :shock:
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If you thought the F-22 was a death-trp, wait till you see the knock-off the Vhinese made
pravda.ru wrote:China tests its second 5th-generation stolen stealth fighter

China has recently tested its second fifth-generation stealth fighter J-20. The tests were conducted in the middle of May in the city of Chengdu - an administrative center of China's Sichuan province in the south-west. The photos of the prototype of the aircraft in the air inundated Chinese blogs and soon appeared in Western blogs, The Daily Mail wrote.

For the first time, the J-20 Mighty Dragon was tested in January 2011. The news about the tests leaked on the Chinese internet. The authorities confirmed the information only several days afterwards.

Specialists say that the J-20 will make competition to the US-made F-22 Raptor. This aircraft is the world's only fifth-generation stealth fighter that has been passed into service. Moreover, Western specialists say that the Chinese fighter bears a striking resemblance to the American jet.

It is generally believed that the Chinese obtained certain state-of-the-art aviation technologies, including stealth, by stealing them from the USA or Russia. It also seems suspicious that China built the aircraft and started its tests too quickly. Chinese officials originally said that the new jet would appear as early as in 2017. US specialists thought that the Chinese stealth fighter would appear some time in 2020 or even later.

The Chinese may have copied the stealth technology from the US-made F-117 aircraft that crashed in Serbia in 1999. They probably bought the fragments of the plane from local farmers.

It goes without saying that the Chinese strongly reject the information that says that the new stealth fighter was built on the base of other countries' technologies. Chinese officials can only say that it is the achievement of their designers and engineers. A Chinese test pilot said, for example, that some parameters of the J-20 marked a technological breakthrough for the country.

At the same time, China's J-20 is outfitted with Russian engines, Wired said. Therefore, China will not be able to launch the serial production of the new aircraft until it develops its own analogue of the engines.

However, the creation of the Chinese fighter jet on the base of the anti-radar technology and other military developments of the Celestial Empire raise serious concerns with the Americans. They believe that China spent up to $180 billion on defense last year. The amount considerably exceeds the officially announced defense budget for the current year - $106 billion.

Washington is concerned about serious competition, especially against the background of the problems with the F-22 Raptor. US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has recently ordered to restrict the exploitation of the nation's most expensive fighter after it was revealed that the pilots of the plane receive slow poisoning due to defects in the onboard system of oxygen generation.

In addition, China's growing power raises concerns with the Pentagon in light of the Taiwan-related problem. The Republicans have recently voted for the USA to sell 66 F-16 jets to Taiwan to add to the modernization plans for the Taiwanese Air Force. The Obama administration has blocked the sales of new aircraft not to aggravate the situation.

In the meantime, Taiwan can be involved in smuggling US technologies to China. In April, two US-based citizens of Taiwan were arrested for their intention to purchase drones, the stealth technology and anti-aircraft systems. It was said that they were going to sell them to Beijing afterwards, Americaru.com reports.

The peculiar feature that differs a fifth-generation aircraft from its predecessor is simple. All information is processed and analyzed by the onboard computer system before it is displayed to pilot. Such a plane is super maneuverable. It is also capable of flying at supersonic speed without the activation of the afterburner. Such features can be achieved owing to state-of-the-art engines.

The exploitation of a fifth-generation fighter jet is supposed to be cheaper. For example, the cost of one hour of the exploitation of the fourth-generation Su-27 fighter jet makes up $10,000, whereas for a fifth-generation jet the cost is much lower - up to $1,500.

A fifth-generation fighter jet must be nearly invisible in all physical fields. However, critics say that "invisibility" of high-tech aircraft is only a myth. To detect an enemy, a plane has to use a radar, which immediately gives its location. In addition, air defense technologies have been developing along with the stealth technology. State-of-the-art radars can "see" a lot farther and better than they could before. As a matter of fact, it only goes about lower visibility.
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Our grand children might be speaking Chinese.
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You realise there is no language called "Chinese"
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Yes, just like there is no language like "American".
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jamin_za wrote:You realise there is no language called "Chinese"
Apparently there is.
Have a look here and here.
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Bullshirt.
Mandarin or Cantonese.
If you read the articles you linked to you would see that almost nobody actually speaks "Standardised Chinese"
Gold star for Googling tho
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Actually I think it is worth at least two gold stars and a platinum. I'd have gone for 5 platinums but was too lazy to actually using Google and looking further than Wikipedia.

But seriously. The UN recognizes Chinese as one of its 6 official languages? No mention of it being specifically Mandarin, Putonghua or whatever.
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The UN recognizes Chinese as an official language in China but cant recognise China's human rights violations, genocide in Darfur, or the Iranian nuclear weapons program.

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Right... Back on topic :?
jamin_za wrote: If you thought the F-22 was a death-trp, wait till you see the knock-off the Vhinese made
The article doesn't explain why the Chinese knock-off would be worse off?
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