ATI... erm, AMD vs nVidia!

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Hman wrote:The Xbox uses DirectX yes, but on the 360 it was DX9 most games on PC need to be on DX10 or 11. Also the 360's processor differs wildly from x86. That's why porting takes long.
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
Hman wrote:running Mantle on it will work if the API comes with the game as it bypasses DX completely,
Slam and DUNK.....
Hman wrote:that is unless MS blocks it somehow.
DENIED! Somehow I don't see MS allowing 3RD party APIs to work on their hardware. Lets be honest, MS doesn't play well with others unless its on THEIR terms.
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Well that will be MS problem. Direct control allows more operations. Just another knock against the xbone.
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But I can see two reasons for MS to allow Mantle to run:

1. They are reliant on AMD for their hardware.
2. If they don't allow it the PS will have the upper hand performance wise.
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Hman wrote:But I can see two reasons for MS to allow Mantle to run:

1. They are reliant on AMD for their hardware.
2. If they don't allow it the PS will have the upper hand performance wise.
As much as I would like to believe this to be enough to sway MS, history tells me otherwise.
1. Web standards (which MS STILL does not adhere to)
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If Mantle takes off, Ubuntu will gain a lot of patrons. Don't think Microsoft wants that.
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It's only steam (for now.)

I still don't think that 2013 (or 2014!) will be The Year of Linux on the Desktop.
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Breaking news (for me at least): Mantle is not on consoles.

Microsoft Comments on State of Direct3D, Mantle Support, & Names XB1 API “Direct3D 11.x”
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7420/micr ... rect3d-11x

AMD Expands On Microsoft Blog Post, Reiterates Mantle Goals
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7421/amd- ... -blog-post

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https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/389889549016391680
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@AMDRadeon wrote:Mantle is NOT in consoles. What Mantle creates for the PC is a development environment that's *similar* to the consoles, which already offer low-level APIs, close-to-metal programming, easier development and more (vs. the complicated PC environment). By creating a more console-like developer environment, Mantle: improves time to market; reduces development costs; and allows for considerably more efficient rendering, improving performance for gamers. The console connection is made because next-gen uses Radeon, so much of the programming they're doing for the consoles are already well-suited to a modern Radeon architecture on the desktop; that continuum is what allows Mantle to exist. ^RH
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How sad for AMD. Just when I thought they had something to stage a comeback...
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Nah, I'm sure the low level API they have on consoles is just superficially different. They wouldn't outright say it because MS and Sony are their customers too.
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+1 on what SB's dear said.

https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/389925925116051456
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Reading this my thoughts turned to if AMD cannot grab this with a crossplatform programming language then nvidia has nothing to fear.
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AMD makes a profit!
The good news is that AMD hauled $US1.46bn through the door during the quarter, which means it was in the black by $95m
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Woohoo!
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Hey! Wow! That's pretty good! Thanks Grey!
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That is good news. Time to take R&D to the next level and match intel!
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StarBound wrote:That is good news. Time to take R&D to the next level and match intel!
I think that might be pushing it a bit :). Intel's R&D Budget: 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS! Thats a Billion more than AMD made in the whole YEAR!
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GreyWolf wrote:Intel's R&D Budget: 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS!
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R9 290X review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 50-35.html

...CRAP I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!

Who is in the market for a GTX780? :P
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StarBound wrote:R9 290X review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 50-35.html

...CRAP I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!

Who is in the market for a GTX780? :P
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Also: the Titan is the most pointless thing ever!
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StarBound wrote:R9 290X review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 50-35.html

...CRAP I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!

Who is in the market for a GTX780? :P
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GreyWolf wrote:
StarBound wrote:R9 290X review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 50-35.html

...CRAP I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!

Who is in the market for a GTX780? :P
Dayum!

Also: the Titan is the most pointless thing ever!
I disagree. Titan is heavily over priced but it set the bar for the new single gpus. An OCed 780 can reach its speed and the 290x now manages it to. Pricing on both cards are a good deal less. Looking to the future, we need some serious tech development to get to that 60fps with full detail at 4k. But it will get there.
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StarBound wrote:R9 290X review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 50-35.html
CRAP I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!
Yeah dude.

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I like this part though:
Chris Angelini, Editor of Tom's Hardware, wrote:In the spirit of getting massive performance at a substantial discount, then, I’m giving AMD’s Radeon R9 290X Tom’s Hardware’s Elite award—the first time a graphics card has received this honor, I believe, during my tenure.
Whichwas quickly picked up by AMD's @AMDRadeon twitter account:
@AMDRadeon wrote:The AMD Radeon R9 290X wins the elusive "Elite" award from Tom's Hardware: http://bit.ly/1d0k8rC
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StarBound wrote:Titan is heavily over priced
LOL. That's the equivalent of calling the Titanic a minor boating incident.
StarBound wrote:It set the bar for the new single gpus.
I am afraid it didn't.

With a name like "Titan" and at the price it was being sold at, it should have been the faster than anything for at least 2 generations. Instead, it BARELY keeps up with current gen cards.

It is a JOKE, plain and simple.
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GreyWolf wrote:With a name like "Titan" and at the price it was being sold at, it should have been the faster than anything for at least 2 generations. Instead, it BARELY keeps up with current gen cards.
At the price no but what its performance is yes. It should have blown anything out of the water, it should have been that 690gtx and then some with more memory and slightly better benchmarks.

Still from a performance aspect it held the top spot. Now AMDs lower priced contender that outshines it.
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Would we be able to tell the difference between 2k and 4k? Can our laser mice keep up?
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